To be absolutely fucking livid

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I'm just feeling so pissed off with the British public right now. Seeing the news stories of people crammed onto beaches, stuck in traffic jams, stupid bloody tombstoners, people queuing for 3 hours plus to get into Ikea, nobody wearing masks, tourists crapping in hedges and leaving all their rubbish behind in my beautiful village - what is wrong with people?!

I realise that Coronavirus may not be as dangerous as it first appeared but it is still here, it's still killing 100's of people a day, it's still bad news for anyone overwight, over 50 or with underlying health conditions.

All these people behaving as if it's "gone away". It hasn't!

I'm livid that the government acted too little too late. We didn't close our borders, we haven't got a proper track and trace in place. We look like idiots. Now they are saying oh it's fine to have BBQ's but bring your own ketchup - for goodness sake!

I do think lockdown should be tentatively eased - as a self employed person I've been happy to start to go back to work but I'm being so so careful with hygiene and social distancing. Baby steps. I also do think people should be able to go out for a walk or see relatives so long as social distancing. But there seems to be a general mood of oh it's fine we can all just go back to normal - in fact worse than normal, let's all crowd together and have a big old party!

I'm afraid there will be a second wave due to all this irresponsible behaviour and that we will need to go back to full lockdown, putting businesses and people's health in jeopardy. I'm worried that my daughter won't be able to start uni in September. I'm worried that my neices who are doctors will have to deal with the fall out from all this. I'm worried my husband will be unable to get another job. I'm scared and depressed.

And all these fuckers ignoring social distancing are just taking risks with their own lives and everybody elses - when they visit a beach resort or other tourist place they use the toilets, use the cashpoints, visit the supermarkets or corner shop - all prime places to spread the virus far and wide.

I just don't think the message to be careful has been hammered home hard enough.

If Dominic doesn't care then neither do I.

If Dominic doesn't care then neither do I.

Are you 5 years old?

Where I am most people have not changed since lockdown started. The issues I have are the local thief, drug dealer and several misfits have broken the rules every single day I have passed them going into work. They have gathered in town drinking and smoking not social distancing and making the place where they sit look a shit hole.
There have also been a rise in dickheads breaking the speed laws. People on my estate have campaigned for a pelican crossing as on one side there isn’t a pavement and speed cameras, there has been a fatal accident, but to no avail. The scrotters I believe are still sat together in town all day every day and twats are still driving at break neck speed. Meanwhile the majority of folks abide to the rules.

People are ALLOWED to go to Ikea. People are ALLOWED to go to the park. People are ALLOWED to go to the beach. You might not like that but it's the truth.
People are not ALLOWED to litter.

Replying to:

"xxyzz Wed 03-Jun-20 00:35:15
I've never heard the phrase 'nanny state' used before other than by Daily Mail journalists and Tory MPs. Has MN suddenly become a hangout for either of the above when I wasn't looking? grin"

Just because YOU haven't heard of it other than your reading of the Daily Mail or Tory MP's doesn't mean that others of us haven't come across it in broader usage!

The term has been around since the 1960's when a Conservative MP used it in an article in 'The Spectator' magazine. It is used as a term in several countries around the world when describing policies that are interfering by governments. It has been used by many MPs not only Tory's but also Labour MP's some suggesting that control and interference being a good idea since it is quite obvious to see that lots of people really do want all decisions made for them by the government down to the minutia. You will also find that some businesses feel letting the markets decide rather than the state and so also use the term. I tend to watch business programmes/debates etc so probably see the term used more than you do.

I hope that helps?

People are ALLOWED to go to Ikea. People are ALLOWED to go to the park. People are ALLOWED to go to the beach. You might not like that but it's the truth.
People are not ALLOWED to litter.*

But will potentially face a fine!

No one is going to be fined for going to Ikea?

Not really the same is it?

People outside of the shielding category are more likely to die in a car accident (on the way to Ikea, for example) than of coronavirus so there's really never a very good time to go to Ikea.

How many people in the shielded category have died? My understanding is that most deaths have occurred in the over 60 age group - they aren't shielded, so where have you got your figures from?

@xxyzz i'm jot scared of getting COVID. I'm young fit and healthy so chances are good.

Do you know how many people normally die every day in the UK? Or have youblooked to see how many people recover from COVID.

The news only reports the negative sensationalist news

To all the people claiming there was never an actual lockdown, people carried on regardless etc. May I ask how you account for the peak at 8th April, and subsequent drop of infections, hospital admissions and deaths?

I'm quietly confident that those bleating that the lockdown must continue would rapidly change their tune if their furlough money was withdrawn.

@peaceanddove

I'm quietly confident that those bleating that the lockdown must continue would rapidly change their tune if their furlough money was withdrawn.

This gets trotted out quite frequently - is anyone arguing lockdown should continue?

I don't think it should continue indefinitely. What I do think, and other countries agree, is that the way we give ourselves the best chance here is to manage the exit from lockdown well. That means waiting until the rate of new infections drops sufficiently (scientific opinion appears to say another two weeks), have a proper track and trace system in place, have good, solid evidence in place as to whether the public needs to use things such as masks when in public and enforce it, look at what is working in other countries and why and implement it here.

This sudden opening of the gates seems utterly bizarre and lacks any reason. It goes against pretty much everything the government has said up until now.

Of course we can't lockdown forever but we could make this a manageable disease and society as safe as possible for as many people as possible. Instead, our government appears to have stuck us on some rickety old see saw where we will ricochet between lockdown and not, with many unnecessary deaths along the way.

Take it down a notch.

You sound extremely angry and worried, do you think you need some help or support, or someone to talk to, like your gp?

Well that's probably the longest thread I've ever started. I have calmed down a bit today actually - although if you'd seen all the muppets absolutely crammed onto the grass in the village where I live (okay not "my" village) you'd have felt annoyed too. And all the litter they have left behind - disgusting. I still feel that while we need to take steps to get the country back to normal/whatever normal is now, these kinds of crowds are not helpful. Social distancing genuinely can't happen in these situations, and I've heard lots of local people saying it's much more difficult for them to go shopping/walk their dogs/get their daily exercise because of the crowds. I realise the jury is out on a second wave, but from what I've seen other countries have been much further ahead than us in terms of lockdown before taking steps to relax it. Anyway that's it from me on the subject but thanks all for your input.

[quote Lazypuppy]@xxyzz i'm jot scared of getting COVID. I'm young fit and healthy so chances are good.

Do you know how many people normally die every day in the UK? Or have youblooked to see how many people recover from COVID.

The news only reports the negative sensationalist news[/quote]
It's irrelevant how many people normally die every day in the UK.

They key data are the 60,000 excess deaths caused by Covid so far in the UK - they are called excess deaths because they are in excess of i.e. on top of the normal deaths.

You may be blasé about 60,000 people dying unnecessarily before their time in a period of just 3 months, but I am not, and nor, understandably are most people.

Also, you have to remember it's not just about the deaths. If you are a regular on this board, you will know that lots of previously healthy, fit young people who do not feature in any deaths stats as they are still alive, are nevertheless extremely ill 8 weeks + after first going down with the disease.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/a3918481-COVID-Lungs-8wks-plus

Don't assume that this won't affect you because you are young, or that dying from the disease is the only thing to worry about.

And don't forget that even if you don't die and don't suffer severe symptoms, you could still be the vector that passes it on to others, like your parents, children, spouse or family members. Or strangers. Do you want that on your conscience?

@xxyzz we can't all stay locked up. Virsuses get passed between people all day every day.

I never said it won't affect me, just said i'm not worried enough about getting it to lock myself away.

My family are starting to get used to our new normal, we're going out within the rules. My partner is a key worker so has been out as normal every day anyway.

xxyzz

Well said.

I know someone eight and a half weeks into this. Previously fit and healthy. She still can't walk up a flight of stairs without gasping for breath and is utterly debilitated by it. She was never in hospital so would be described as a "mild" case. She also won't be reflected in the death statistics.

@MintyMabel

Meh. Being angry about it won’t solve anything.

That's incredibly insulting and dismissive of someone who is clearly struggling, overwhelmed and anxious.

It's all very well going "meh" - that's like telling someone who is depressed to "pull yourself together, there's nothing wrong with you".

Show some empathy or if you can't be arsed, don't bother posting if you feel that way.

Of course we can't lockdown forever but we could make this a manageable disease and society as safe as possible for as many people as possible

My personal goal is to write an open letter to all the main supermarkets and tell them they have a duty of care to society to continue to run their stores on disciplined lines, with the one way system, the sanitising of trollies, perspex screens at the check outs and regular tannoy reminders to keep social distancing.

It has been a significant success in my area, everyone is behaving responsibly and if all the supermarkets continue to reinforce these principles, it will mean customers will demand it and not support shops that don't bother to make it a safe shopping environment for customers and staff. Societal pressure, public opinion is way more powerful than government giving out vague, ambiguous rules that confuse and confound people.

@daisychain01

Of course we can't lockdown forever but we could make this a manageable disease and society as safe as possible for as many people as possible

My personal goal is to write an open letter to all the main supermarkets and tell them they have a duty of care to society to continue to run their stores on disciplined lines, with the one way system, the sanitising of trollies, perspex screens at the check outs and regular tannoy reminders to keep social distancing.

It has been a significant success in my area, everyone is behaving responsibly and if all the supermarkets continue to reinforce these principles, it will mean customers will demand it and not support shops that don't bother to make it a safe shopping environment for customers and staff. Societal pressure, public opinion is way more powerful than government giving out vague, ambiguous rules that confuse and confound people.

But supermarkets aren't going to be the only shops opening. Most other shops are going to be open soon - I should imagine their over riding concern is going to be profit. I really don't think societal pressure will have an impact -- unless customers agree to boycott stores that don't have safer systems in place then why would they care?

My problem is that the attitude of people "you do what you want I will do what I want" is that the virus will keep spreading in UK whilst in other countries it has been managed much better. As a result they have been able to open up slowly. Many countries will, however, not allow people from "risky countries" in without a negative COVID-19 test or at all. For me personally it means that I have no idea when I will be able to see my parents and the kids their grandparents. I understand that it is hard to stay in lockdown but with this quick easing now it feels like the last 8/9 weeks were pointless. So I too am livid OP.

Er - unfortunately PROFIT is necessary for all companies including retail.

Without profit they close; jobs go; nobody eats.

Don't you realise they are all being asked to take numerous safety measures - some reasonable / some OTT - as a condition of re-opening?

That will increase costs and so their prices to you will be higher.

In the short term that is the effect Covid-19 will have across the retail sector.

Boycott what you like - it is still (just about) a free country.

I agree with you 100%. Seeing people queuing for a McDonald’s drive through for hours or to buy something in ikea makes my blood boil. What is wrong with people? We’re going into a major economic recession & people are sitting on crowded beaches spreading coronavirus and risking a second wave. Looks like the govt are just paying wages for people through the furlough scheme to sit on their arses on a beach or in a park. If anyone reading this has sat on a crowded beach recently and not obeyed the rules of lockdown then be assured that I think you’re a fucking twat.

We can't control other people's behaviour as much as we may dislike it. We live in a free country and unfortunately sometimes, such as this, we find ourselves having to pay the price for it. Personally I agree that there is a lack of ability to apply critical thinking by people who are acting like everything is normal such as I've witnessed over the last few sunny days and living in a popular national park. I normally cycle but since the lockdown easing I've waited until the crowds have all gone home. The media and government seem to have gone very quiet on the issue of 'herd immunity' but that's precisely what this is; currently and anyone whose behaviour reflects 'back to normality' are unwitting experimental subjects. On the bright side, they're also unwittingly generating plenty of data that will help us manage this in the future and hopefully reduce the death toll. Me? I'm staying at home as much as I was before the loosening of the rules. We all at least have that choice even though it can be hard.

That’s what you get with an idiot who is PM.
I’m a nurse and sick if it!