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To think about her all the time

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hotstepper4 · 02/06/2020 12:02

Okay, so a bit of background: I've been married to my husband for two years, we've been together for seven years. I have a son who is nine, he has three children: a daughter who is 11, a son who is 10, and a son who is seven. I've been in the children's lives for six years.

For the most part it's been good. I've always had a good relationship with my stepchildren, and it was so nice for my son to feel that he had siblings.

In particular I was close to my stepdaughter. We always got on so well. I must admit my friends and family have always found her to be rather rude and aloof, and it's true that she definitely could be. She would ignore my friends if we went out or be rude to my mum. I made excuses for her, tell them that she was tired or shy. To be honest I don't think this was the reason. I'm not putting her down, just giving you background that she has always been hard work however we had a bond and I felt that it was mutual.

She started secondary school in September 2019. I was scheduled to collect her from
school thar first day, I remember being really excited about it, to hear about her first day at school.

As soon as she saw me, she ran. I chased after her and caught her arm. Asked her what she was doing. She said she was getting the school bus and going back to her mums. She said now that she was in secondary school she was old enough to decide what she wanted to do with her life. I said no, you're not, it's your weekend with your dad and you are coming with me. Perhaps I should have just let her go but I was so shocked. She came with me but the whole way she was moaning and crying. Eventually after a while I relented, said I'd take her to her mums. Which I did. I didn't understand but Dh spoke to her mum that night and she said she'd bring dsd round the following morning.

The next morning she came back. We tried to talk to her about what happened the day before, but she just clammed up and started crying. Then later she texted her mum and told her to come and get her, which she did. After that, my stepdaughter started sending my husband horrible text messages. Asking him why was he her dad, she hated him, even called him a bastard. Some people said that this had to be her mother speaking, however knowing my stepdaughter as I do, I am sure that it was her.

Since this we have seen her twice. The first time, was in December. She showed up with her brothers unexpectedly, but then became very annoyed that she did not have any Christmas gifts as we were not expecting her, and ran back to her mothers. The second time my husband showed up to collect her from her drama group. She was awful from the outset. She ran up to our bedroom. I went up to ask her what was going on, and she just kept telling me you know you know. I said I don't know I have no idea, and she said you know about how Dad hits me. My husband has never laid a hand on her, and I am 100% confident about this. She then ran out of the house again, back to her mothers. My husband was really worried about her accusations, he was worried about what would happen to his access to his sons if her accusations were taken seriously. So he wrote a letter to her, saying that he will always love her and be there for her, but that he will give her what she wants, and leave her alone.

Since then we have heard nothing at all from her. It has been about five months now. She hides from my husband when he dropped the boys off, and on more than one occasion, he has heard her mother laughing at her hiding herself. He's had no support from my stepdaughter's mother she just says that she doesn't want my stepdaughter to hate her too.

My stepdaughter is turning 12 in August. I think about her every day. I think we should send her a card and maybe a gift. But my husband thinks a card is more than enough. He has been hurt beyond belief by this. He doesn't understand and she's never given any reason or explanation for her behaviour. I don't know how to proceed with it. If you text her she doesn't answer. I think I will send a card and sign it from myself her dad and her stepbrother.

It feels like we will never get her back, and it haunts me. I'll be interested to know what other people would do in this position.

Sorry this is long I dictated it because it's so long but I wanted to be clear about the situation and not drip feed.

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lyralalala · 02/06/2020 19:38

@hotstepper4

Even when that child is constantly begging you to leave them and saying they hope you die in a car accident?

My Dh did what he had to do for his mental health and while I don't necessarily agree with his decision I understood it because he did try. He would go to her school to meet her and she'd run away. He'd go to the bus stop to try and see her to find that she'd deliberately got off the bus early to avoid him. He called social services, they wouldn't help. He arranged a group therapy, she wouldn't come. He has tried. He gets no support. The other day he was dropping my dss's home and he saw dad running out the back to avoid him. And her mum was laughing.

He gets no support with this at all.

Yes.

You speak to social services and tell them about the abuse claims.

You go to court for access, knowing they won’t force it, but that they may insist on the Mum getting the child the help they need.

You speak to the school about the counselling. Whilst they don’t have to tell you the details of what she said you push them to go down their safeguarding road.

If you believe that your DD has been abused, or has mental health issues, or whatever your DH thinks is going on, you don’t just give up.

Would you give up on your child after a few months?

dottiedodah · 02/06/2020 19:39

There seems to be something amiss here to me .You are saying that DH worked 12 hours a day to take her to Legoland .He booked a meal for just the two of them but she didnt want to go in the end? There is a lot going on here .Do you think she may have had an incident at School ,that maybe brought out painful memories ? Also why did he not collect her after School? The point is that all the treats in the world wont help ,as all she can remember is something painful from her past .If she is physically shaking then it seems she is scared .Something has brought this about hasnt it.How is he with your own DS and his other DC?.You may be right and nothing has happened ,but these signs are concerning to say the very least .Will she see you on your own do you think? Dont talk about what has happened, and just keep it light FTB.At least she knows you are there for her .Sometimes Counselling can stir memories from the past .She may come back later on ,She may not ,either way it would be good for a School Counsellor to maybe see her each week as well just to keep an eye out as it were

hotstepper4 · 02/06/2020 19:40

If he's such an abuser then why have the boys never had an issue? They are happy boys. They don't understand dsd and say she's silly.

I'm going to leave this thread now before it becomes a witch hunt for my Dh who is honestly a very gentle person. Thank you to all the posters who made good suggestions, the main things I have taken from this is thar Dh must not give up on her.

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SomeoneElseEntirelyNow · 02/06/2020 19:41

If he's such an abuser then why have the boys never had an issue?

Oh OP surely you can't be this naive?

Quartz2208 · 02/06/2020 19:44

Because they are BOYS OP - you yourself mention many times the different relationship they have with her. He treats them differently. That is littered all over your posts. What happens when they say she is silly?

I will be honest the more you reveal @hotstepper4 the more I believe that something did happen.

I dont know you, your DH or your DSD at all. No one does apart from you. And its the way you write and what you write that makes people think this.

hotstepper4 · 02/06/2020 19:48

My only hope is that one day I will get the opportunity to sit down with my dsd and discuss this calmly with her. I really hope that this happens one day.

Until this time we will continue to send her messages via text.

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CakeHoleinRoof · 02/06/2020 19:49

Your husband is behaving like a child arguing with another child, his daughter. I get that hes hurt but as adults we should have adult responses to this sort of thing, not sulk and spit our dummies out.
Youre putting all the effort into sorting this out. Why is that?

CakeHoleinRoof · 02/06/2020 19:50

It isn't a witchhunt op. So many of us as outsiders can see the same sorts of things. Why would we have any bias against your husband? We dont know you, him or one another! It's just what we see based on what you've told us.

Pebblexox · 02/06/2020 19:52

Whether you think he has hurt her or not, isn't the issue. Of course you're going to think that. That doesn't necessarily make it true.
The accusations need to be investigated, as if there's even a chance she's telling the truth and you're all accusing her of lying. You will destroy her.
If she isn't telling the truth, just knowing her dad is being investigated may give her the kick she needs to talk to him about what's going on.

hotstepper4 · 02/06/2020 19:53

He's hurt deeply by her. His reasoning is that she told him to leave her be and get out of her life, and he has pleased her by doing just that as she seemed so distressed by his efforts to see her.

However as you say he is the adult and she's a child. Therefore he needs to make the effort

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MrsTWH · 02/06/2020 19:55

Honestly there are some red flags here, OP.

It might indicate abuse (either your DH or someone else), or it might be that she is struggling with some unmet needs. It does sound like there could be some sensory/ASD issues involved. This sounds like it could also be underpinned by her mum’s behaviour towards you both.

If it were me in your DH’s position, I would be fighting tooth and nail to work together with her Mum and get her the professional help she clearly needs. I know you say her Mum disagrees. I’d be talking to the school, I’d be paying for private psychologists, I’d be talking it through with the Early Help/Family Worker services in your Local Authority’s Children’s Social Care. No stone unturned.

Keep sending her the birthday cards, presents, messages. Tell her you care and you love her and you miss her. Tell her you will believe her and get her any help she needs. She might well ignore it and throw it back in your faces but she is a child and there is a reason behind this behaviour. Giving up on her means your DH might never understand the reason behind it.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 02/06/2020 19:55

In all truth OP and I’m being neutral here what did you hope would said on this thread? Or expect?

lyralalala · 02/06/2020 19:55

@hotstepper4

He's hurt deeply by her. His reasoning is that she told him to leave her be and get out of her life, and he has pleased her by doing just that as she seemed so distressed by his efforts to see her.

However as you say he is the adult and she's a child. Therefore he needs to make the effort

She is a child. Children lash out. We’re adults. It’s our job to find out why, and to be there for them because very often they lash out at the person they feel safest with.
MrsTWH · 02/06/2020 19:56

There’s a quote somewhere along the lines of - a child most in need of love asks for it in the most unloving of ways.

She is communicating with you via her behaviour. Your DH and her mother should be listening to it.

hotstepper4 · 02/06/2020 19:59

@MrsTWH thank you that's a really nice understanding post.

My Dh is an avoider. He always has been. If something is unpleasant he'd rather just ignore it and pretend it isn't happening than deal with it. He has kidded himself into believing that he has done his dd a kindness by leaving her alone. I'm trying to convince him that this isn't true and he must deal with this.

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hotstepper4 · 02/06/2020 20:00

@PaulHollywoodsSexGut I was expecting to receive a lot of good and helpful advice which is exactly what I have received.

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speakball · 02/06/2020 20:02

OP did he mention what she'd said about hitting when he spoke to SS?

If she'd accused you would you have left it so as not to cause trouble? Or would you want to fully understand it to help her?

lunar1 · 02/06/2020 20:04

I will never forget the letter my dad sent when he decided to cut contact. It was one of the most traumatic events of my life and I had a complete breakdown, at 12. I have very little memory of that year with the exception of reading the letter for the first time.

hotstepper4 · 02/06/2020 20:06

@speakball in a weird way, if it was me she was lashing out at and accusing of hurting her I think I'd understand more. I'm her stepmother. We were close but I have always been just her stepmother, she has a mother and I've never led her to believe I'm trying to take that role in her life.

It would have been far easier (and pleased her mother) if it had been me as she doesn't have a blood bond with me. But, yes I'd be hurt and bewildered (as Dh is) and want to get to the bottom of it.

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hotstepper4 · 02/06/2020 20:07

@lunar1 oh that's so sad and I'm sorry. Was it out of the blue? What was your relationship with your dad like prior?

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AdalindMeisner · 02/06/2020 20:09

I feel like I'm having de Javu (sp?). I've read the same thread before (suppose visits, lack of Christmas presents etc.)

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 02/06/2020 20:10

@hotstepper4 ok, good. It’s easy to miss someone’s faults when you love them and - not to be inflammatory - probably really want this relationship to work after all the effort that’s required to blend families.

I stand by my earlier assertion that you 100% have a DH problem here and DSD is the by product of that, and I believe that your intentions are good and that your heart is kind.

Just be aware that attempts at resolution could open up more and more cans of worms for as long as your DH conducts his responsibilities as a father in the way he’s going about it.

He could and should have by now been scouring the Internet for resources to help him reconnect with DSD. And he should be intelligent enough to identify that it’s possible to be present in his DD’s life even though she doesn’t want to know right now by reaching out to his ex and if that’s a dead end by being bold and honest with DD and being in touch, expecting nothing back but stressing the door is always open.

hotstepper4 · 02/06/2020 20:11

Yes I have posted about this before. I did not expect that nearly a year later it would still be going on hence asking for further advice. Is it not ok to post twice in a year about the same problem?

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2bazookas · 02/06/2020 20:11

Sorry to ask this, I know its a terrible thing to consider, but as Dad has "disassociated himself" and seems willing to accept no further relationship with her, do you think there is any possibility that's guilt, for some sexual contact?

When she said "you know Dad hit me" could her actual words be either
"Dad hurt me" or Dad hit on me" ?

hotstepper4 · 02/06/2020 20:13

@PaulHollywoodsSexGut I absolutely agree with you that Dh should be trying a lot harder to fix this. This is something that I no longer want to avoid, it is the elephant in every room and today, starting this thread is the first step for me in addressing this.

I want Dh to speak to dsd mum about this again also so I will work on that

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