To hope this racist woman loses her job - thread 2

[zscaler]

But Vlad says she doesn't want allies, so what's the point?

The point is, you do it because it’s the right thing to do, not because you might gain something (trust / respect / gratitude / praise) from it.

You do it because all white people have a moral responsibility to dismantle racism, and that shouldn’t be dependent on black people asking us to do it, or being polite, or being grateful for our allyship.

Because it’s the very bare minimum we could and should do.

White privilege.

They'll do anything to hold onto it. Even condone cold blooded murder.

The white male equivalent to Karen hasn't been figured out yet by Black twitter. But it's only a matter of time. Probably Bob or Gary.

But that is not what is important. The focus is about the fact that the woman thought it was OK to pretend she was being attacked, because she knows the consequences to the black person she's accusing.

People need to learn the consequences of their actions, so hit them in their pockets since people want to continue with their racist behaviour

I cannot believe the lengths some posters are going through to justify Amy Cooper’s behaviour.
I watched the video after reading some of the comments on the first thread.
As far as I was concerned, it was a blatant case of using her white female privilege to ‘beat’ Mr Cooper into submission. So to see posters on MN try to justify her behaviour is an absolute disgrace
The irony is that this woman identifies herself as a liberal which is why she probably used the term ‘African American ‘ rather than black. She doesn’t regard herself as a
racist, but her actions were that of someone who used her privilege to threaten this man Look at the way she spat out the words African American’. She knew what she was doing.
I saw Mr Cooper being interviewed on CNN and despite the fact that Amy Cooper could have endangered his life, he showed some sympathy for her.
I am white and I refuse to believe that other white people are unaware that racism exists.
White people know that racism exist but are aware that racism allows them to retain their ‘superior’ position.

I cannot believe the lengths some posters are going through to justify Amy Cooper’s behaviour
If some people on here were being unpleasant about Ahmaud Arbery, then I really don't find this surprising.

*I cannot believe the lengths some posters are going through to justify Amy Cooper's behaviour"

This is MN. Anytime this topic or similar comes up, there are so many excuses and the abuser somehow magically becomes the victim despite the evidence showing the contrary. That courtesy is not extended to brown and black people. Black and brown people have to be near perfect victims and have hard concrete evidence to be taken seriously as well as phrase their concerns in the currect manner (respectability politics and all) and even then "the fact that he was suspending in the sixth grade means he clearly has a violent streak so he could have threatened her" or some obscure non-relevant fact that makes it okay someone was on the receiving hand of unjust behaviour.

The ultimate crime in this country and the world over is concluding anyone is racist despite clearly racist behaviour or comments, and we are the problem for pointing it out or speaking about it.

I suppose admitting or accepting some things or people are racist would trigger an introspective look at one's own biases and noone wants to think or accept they have deficiencies in this department so it is easier to deny, deny, deny and excuse so one can remain within their bubble

Of course she was a racist twat and weaponising her white femininity but there will be people who wonder why he started filming her when she was quiet and in the process of leashing her dog.

She wasn't in the process of leashing her dog, dog wasn't leashed until right at the end.

Truth is, no one would be raising any question at all as to why the filming was started if Mr Cooper had been a white female, and Ms Cooper a black male.

Just looking at some of these comments and comments from thread 1, I find it sad and very unfair that a whole race can be judged as inherently racist and power hungry just based on the actions of a minority of people in that race. I mean, if you generalise any non-white race in this way you get torn to shreds (and rightly so) and you're wicked. But it's like white people are fair game. It's not on. You don't get to condemn racism if you're being racist yourself.

Not All White People

@ChoosingHim

Just looking at some of these comments and comments from thread 1, I find it sad and very unfair that a whole race can be judged as inherently racist and power hungry just based on the actions of a minority of people in that race. I mean, if you generalise any non-white race in this way you get torn to shreds (and rightly so) and you're wicked. But it's like white people are fair game. It's not on. You don't get to condemn racism if you're being racist yourself.

Because in general, we white people are indeed racist.

I try hard to get away from racist behaviour, but there is so much subtlety and nuance in the stuff people come out with that I think I'll be learning about behaviour to avoid til the day I die.

There's so much crap ingrained into our society, and we have to work hard to break the conditioning.

I can look back on my life and see that there were times I innocently patronised black people (and possibly worse). Now, I'm ashamed of that, and I've used my own failings as a teaching method with my DC. I want them to avoid my mistakes, and I continue to work on myself to be a better person.

@ChoosingHim

May I please ask if this is your first post on this issue (both on thread 1 and here)?

ChoosingHim
Is the suggestion really that all white people are racist? Frankly, I feel more sad that the pervasive existence of police brutality against black males in particular has been normalised to the extent that we have due cause to be outraged at her behaviour and the possibility of a fatal consequence.

@DotForShort I don’t think that’s always the case having been out for walks and watched people (all white people) walk towards black women ( strangely they will walk away from black men) and then move out around other white women it shocked me enough to actually say 2 meters means 2 meters for everyone. So I think there are still racist incidents they are just micro aggressions.
For those who are saying that filming is an aggressive act, that is utterly ridiculous and you know it. I’ve filmed things where I haven’t felt safe to intervene or if I thought this might be necessary at some point as I know eye witness testimony is crap. I agree with the PP that they are afraid that someone might see their true colours. @VladmirsPoutine thank you for being blunt about your feelings, my friend has kind of said the same as you but I don’t think I got it until now.

@Ratasha

Not All White People

Tell me when... just look at the threads here. Enough are totally incapable of reflecting on their behaviour... I do reflect on mine and I honestly can’t say I’m not racist, I can say I don’t act on my racist thoughts. It’s taken a long time of listening and wanting to be better to get to that point though. If you’re still saying not all white people you are racist and probably acting on racist thoughts.

ChoosingHim you have two options while reading these comments.

You can take offense and focus on how they make you feel

OR

You can pay attention. People are talking about serious issues here. It's not about your feelings.

If all you have gotten from this thread is how unfairly white people have been judged you have a serious issue.

Just looking at some of these comments and comments from thread 1, I find it sad and very unfair that a whole race can be judged as inherently racist and power hungry just based on the actions of a minority of people in that race. I mean, if you generalise any non-white race in this way you get torn to shreds (and rightly so) and you're wicked. But it's like white people are fair game. It's not on. You don't get to condemn racism if you're being racist yourself.

This is exactly like when men insert themselves into discussions about rape and insist that everyone say #notallmen because they believe their feelings are more important than the behaviour being discussed.

All white people benefit from racism. It’s not enough just to not be actively racist. You have to be actively anti-racist. And here’s a tip to get you started - saying that black people are ‘just as bad’ for calling you racist as white people are for actually being racist doesn’t put you on the right side of the issue.

@SoVeryLost

My 'not all white people' comment was a trite response to the post immediately prior to mine. I was referencing the 'Not All Men' strawman that pops up, before being (correctly) summarily dismissed, in threads re. sexism.

I.e. what @zscaler just said.

Frankly, I feel more sad that the pervasive existence of police brutality against black males in particular has been normalised to the extent that we have due cause to be outraged at her behaviour and the possibility of a fatal This. All police should wear body cams and be sent down for assault with the evidence.

Don’t any of you think your being racist towards white people by putting them all in the same category, I agree with the other PP comment regarding “if we labelled black people the way white people are being labelled we’d be ripped to shreds” but it’s okay as white peoples are fair game. They deserve it Because they share their race with people like those police officers. It’s astonishing that people are calling out racism whilst being racist

As a white person, I'm not in the least bit offended by people saying white people are racist.
Do we really have to do the "not all white people?"
It's not personal against you, is it? It's a much wider issue as some of the posts on this and the other thread show.

If I said “ I avoid people who are black” because of A, B & C. I would be called racist. Because it is racist.

Wow if your takeaway from a situation where a black man would have been potentially killed by police based on a false report is one of victimhood, there really are no words, and there is zero hope for us.

How exactly are you the victim? The mind boggles.

That is the very definition of privilege

Don’t any of you think your being racist towards white people by putting them all in the same category

But we are all in the same category. It's called white people. :o

It's not racism to acknowledge the problems that exist in that category or the damage it causes.

Would it really make you feel better and listen more carefully if everyone said "SOME white people"?

Seriously?