to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 4

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New thread to discuss the cummings and goings of the PM's chief adviser.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3919707-to-think-Dominic-Cummings-should-go-thread-3

@Clarinova

Let me just check.

The Prime Minister said:

"From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home.

Because the critical thing we must do is stop the disease spreading between households.

That is why people will only be allowed to leave their home for the following very limited purposes:

shopping for basic necessities, as infrequently as possible
one form of exercise a day - for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household;
any medical need, to provide care or to help a vulnerable person; and
travelling to and from work, but only where this is absolutely necessary and cannot be done from home.

That’s all - these are the only reasons you should leave your home."

Did Cummings comply with the instructions?

Jenny Harries backs Van Tam:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/31/dominic-raab-i-had-no-idea-cummings-self-isolating-durham

Of course his wife didn't ask him to test his eyesight. By even thinking this was the case, is giving him credibility.
It was her birthday - they had gone to Durham, whilst pretending they were in London (her column in Spectator) - they went out for a birthday treat. After they knew they had been rumbled by Lee, they concocted a little story. It was laughable. Cbeebies would reject it.

Did Cummings comply with the instructions?

Yes -
"to provide care or to help a vulnerable person" - a young child is a 'vulnerable person'.

Does he strike you as the sort to do anything he doesn't actually want to?

But he's said neither he nor his wife were that sick and they didn't use the relatives for child care so why go?

Durham police have decided that he didn't break the rules here

Clinging to that like a life raft. Durham police are wrong - perhaps they didn't want to get in a row with the Gov? Understandable but not acceptable and I hope they will be made to revisit that decision

to provide care or to help a vulnerable person

You're not even wheeling out the right (unacceptable) excuse - do your homework fgs!

@Clarinova

That's not true.

Even taking the Durham relocation excuse reason at face value, what was the reasonable excuse for them re-relocating back to London? Apparently MW and son haven't yet had CV, so they might at any time need family help with childcare. They should have stayed in Durham once there, not come back to London.

Durham police have decided that he didn't break the rules here

I don't care a fig what Durham Police say. He broke the rules up there anyway according to them.
And a lot of the british public think he broke the rules.... I think it was 76% on a recent poll.

"to provide care or to help a vulnerable person" - a young child is a 'vulnerable person'
That clause was for children who were in danger, his child wasn't, it was rewriting what it was meant for.

Excuse him all you like, he broke the rules

Yes -
"to provide care or to help a vulnerable person" - a young child is a 'vulnerable person'.

And if everyone else ( the little people who follow rules - like stay at home)

Had stretched that rule in the same way, completely not in the spirit of it- our motorways would have been full of people driving for childcare.

But they did not.

Only DC and family. Vile and self serving.

I don't give a stuff about Durham Police. Many many people up and down the country and that includes tory mps, cabinet ministers and government scientists think what he did was shite.
And then what the gov did to justify it even more shite.

So you know what I am so sick of people picking apart the technicalities- he bloody helped make the rules. There should be NO technicalities or minor breaches or breaches at all. it is shite.

The sex professor didn't even leave his house and we knew that was wrong.

It all makes me sick to my stomach .
Hopefully he’ll go to hell for being awful

Did his wife and child go back to London at the same time?

I think it was 76% on a recent poll.

We used to hear so much about the will of the people. That seems to have been forgotten now.

You're not even wheeling out the right (unacceptable) excuse - do your homework fgs!

I have -

The Independent -
"What childcare options are there for parents who develop coronavirus symptoms?"

"At the government’s daily press conference on 24 March, England’s deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries spoke of the “exceptional circumstance” of an adult unable to care for a young child during the pandemic."

“A small child clearly is a vulnerable individual, so in this case, although we are encouraging everybody to stay in their own households–that’s the unit with the same risk of exposure–clearly if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child, that is an exceptional circumstance,” Dr Harries said."

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/coronavirus-symptoms-parents-children-childcare-dominic-cummings-a9529481.html

That clause was for children who were in danger

Jess Phillips retweeted something to that effect from Grazia Magazine as publicity for the The Domestic Abuse Bill - and because it contained a link to video of herself.

Common sense dictates that a small child is a 'vulnerable person' - all small children are.

@2020notQuiteAsPlanned BBC news timeline says they came back to London as a family:

The gov has ducked and dodged and any sensible and reasonable person knows it DC is shite. .

If his statement had been put to the test in a court it would have been shredded by any half decent barrister. Eye test et al.

It insults our intelligence.

@Clavinova please don't try to justify what he did. it's getting tired.

clumsy typing -
Jess Phillips retweeted something to that effect from Grazia Magazine as publicity for The Domestic Abuse Bill - and because it contained a link to a video of herself.

People talk about Boris Johnson's 'lies' - Jess Philips is worse.

I wish I could work out whether Clavinova really genuinely believes this shit or she’s playing devil’s advocate. I suspect the latter.

Clavinova you cited 'to provide care or help to a vulnerable person' - this means that you leave your home to go to the home of said person to provide care to them. This is not what Cummings/Johnson cited in his defence.

The 'exceptional circumstance' clause is what Johnson cited in Cummings defence and you have quoted yourself - That clause was for children who were in danger - it was introduced primarily to allow women to flee domestic abuse with their children and therefore break lockdown rules.

The Cummings' child was NOT in any danger - Cummings has verified that in his own account and you are being deliberately obtuse to keep chanting it. But still, chant on if it makes you happy - after all, it's been working really well for the government so far hasn't it?

Some on here would still support Cummings and Johnson if they burst into their house and shit in the fireplace.

Of all the rotten things about this scandal, the fact the Cummings (and Clavinova) are abusing a clause brought in to protect victims of domestic abuse has to be one of the most disgusting

The Stay at Home guidance specifically said you should explore all options to enable you to self isolate at home, including getting help from family, friends, neighbours and community support groups. Cummings said himself that he hadn’t done that.

Common sense dictates that a small child is a 'vulnerable person' - all small children are.

Laws are laid down, they aren't normally subject to interpretation by common sense.

I wish I could work out whether Clavinova really genuinely believes this shit or she’s playing devil’s advocate.

He clearly didn't break the rules going to Durham -

"Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father’s premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence contrary to regulation 6 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020."

• the Barnard Castle trip was outside of the 14 day period and Durham police say he didn't break social distancing rules whilst he was there - a very minor breach if anything.