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to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 4

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SophieB100 · 27/05/2020 14:10

New thread to discuss the cummings and goings of the PM's chief adviser.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3919707-to-think-Dominic-Cummings-should-go-thread-3

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itsgettingweird · 28/05/2020 18:40

Cho death rates alone aren't representative. There are many people spending 7/8/9 weeks on ventilators before an outcome either way. We have to remember we are still only 7 weeks past the peak. We have to watch it alongside rolling average infections, number of admissions, estimated R. Then watch how that translates compared to the mathematical modelling of the true number of infections. We also have to do this as rolling average because of time delays of tests and inconsistency of of how long results take.

But despite all that we really are still balancing on top of a cone and hoping not to fall.

2020notQuiteAsPlanned · 28/05/2020 18:45

Just read the below.
So now not only does Boris not answer questions, he stops others from so doing too?
He really is the British Trump.

2020notQuiteAsPlanned · 28/05/2020 18:48

Oops. Screen shot attached.

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bobtrain · 28/05/2020 18:57

I love it when a boss supports his staff. You lot are a pack of wolves.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 28/05/2020 18:59

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yoloPenguinsEatfish · 28/05/2020 19:03

Well my usual red-trousered Tory boy MP appears to be quite unhappy!

*Thank you for writing to me about Dominic Cummings.

As a father myself, I know that you always seek to act in the best interests of your children when making decisions about the welfare of your family. However, as a result of the restrictions that were put in place following the introduction of the COVID-19 lockdown, we are not in a position where we can just act on instinct, instead we have to make decisions based on the rules that have been created to stop the spread of this deadly virus.

I believe that the guidance given to ‘stay at home’ was clear, and that deciding to drive his family from London to Durham so that they could self-isolate at his parent’s farm was against the intention of the rules of the lockdown. Indeed, as the former Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police has stated, had Dominic Cummings been stopped by the police whilst making this journey he would almost certainly have been told to go back to London. Also, whatever the reason behind his trip to Barnard Castle, whilst he was staying in Durham, that was also in breach of the lockdown rules.

Dominic Cummings should have taken advice, and informed either the Prime Minister or senior staff at 10 Downing Street, before acting in this way. He did neither. Given the difficulties we have all experienced during the lockdown, I believe it would have been reasonable to have expected that he would have sought to isolate with his family in London and make the same kind of support arrangements that other families have had to make at this time.

It would have been better if Mr Cummings had explained his actions sooner and apologised. His failure to do this has damaged his position and it would now be best for the Government and the country if he resigned.

Kind regards*

PotholeParadise · 28/05/2020 19:04

Bob, what did you say when Nicola Sturgeon delayed asking Dr Calderwood to resign?

I bet it wasn't "I love it when a boss supports his staff". Or "her staff", either.

2020notQuiteAsPlanned · 28/05/2020 19:06

@bobtrain
They are professionals whose views should be respected but they were gagged.
Not a supportive boss more a bullying one.

HipTightOnions · 28/05/2020 19:48

When Whitty said “The desire to not get pulled into politics is far stronger on the part of Sir Patrick and me than it is in the prime minister”, was he sending us a subtle message?

LexMitior · 28/05/2020 19:51

That was code in civil service speak. I cannot answer your question without being accused of being partisan.

SophieB100 · 28/05/2020 19:51

@HipTightOnions
Yes, I think so.
They were uncomfortable, they tried to reign in Boris, who wants us all to have barbecues and wash our hands. They reiterated the need to to be cautious. Made the point that they advise, regarding the 2 metres.
Behind the scenes, they're probably shaking their heads at the sorry mess.

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HipTightOnions · 28/05/2020 19:54

I thought they looked uncomfortable too.

I interpreted it as “He wants us to say things that we’re not prepared to”.

bobtrain · 28/05/2020 19:55

Dr Calderwood blatantly went on 2 weekend breaks for a holiday. None of her family were ill. But I did respect Nicola Sturgeon It is a pity she bowed down to pressure rather than standing up for her initial support of Dr Calderwood This makes Boris a stronger person by not being lead by opinion. And donkeys are sweet creatures whereas wolves dangerous. You will find donkeys are more loved so I am happy to be compared to one.

SophieB100 · 28/05/2020 19:59

@HipTightOnions
Agree.
They are there despite Boris, not because of Boris. They are respected, so need to keep pushing the science. They downplay him when necessary, and keep to their narrative. They're professionals. He needs them more than they need him!

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itsgettingweird · 28/05/2020 20:08

Good post Sophie and totally agree.
And I think the nation are lucky to have them remaining at his side too.

FliesandPies · 28/05/2020 20:14

bobtrain you've hit the nail on the head: none of her family were ill

So although she broke the rules her transgression was far less than that of Cummings refusing to follow the most essential aspect of the rules - isolate if you have symptoms.

That makes Johnson's support of him far more damaging and his refusal to back down is a sign of great weakness, not strength

Peregrina · 28/05/2020 20:15

Quite honestly, I wish the pair of them would walk out making it clear that since their advice is not being taken, they are redundant.

SophieB100 · 28/05/2020 20:18

I think that's why the pair of them weren't prepared to be on stage with Boris on Monday. They have integrity. Sadly, that's something that our PM and his aide, lack.

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Snowjive2 · 28/05/2020 21:15

Wow even The Spectator saying “The price of defending Cummings is admitting Johnson’s inadequacy.”

Very serious for Johnson.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-isn-t-fit-to-lead

Alsohuman · 28/05/2020 21:56

Thank you for the link Snowjive. As you say, when The Spectator puts the boot in to a Tory PM you know things are very bad indeed.

CendrillonSings · 28/05/2020 21:59

You really do think the media runs this country, don’t you? But as the last week has proven quite neatly - they don’t!

FliesandPies · 28/05/2020 22:10

"Boris Johnson isn't fit to lead"

Only took them 6 months to discover what so many warned of before the election.

SabrinaThwaite · 28/05/2020 22:22

You really do think the media runs this country, don’t you? But as the last week has proven quite neatly - they don’t!

But look what the last week has proven quite neatly - look what the public thinks of Johnson right now:

A new YouGov poll for The Times of London newspaper found that Johnson's Conservative party's lead over Keir Starmer's Labour Party fell by 9% from 15% to 6% in the space of a single week.

This is the sharpest fall in support for Conservatives since the party was led by David Cameron a decade ago in 2010.

The YouGov poll released today put the Conservatives on 44%, and Labour in second place with 38%.

A Separate Savanta Comres poll on Tuesday found that Boris Johnson's approval rating had dropped to -1% having previously been at +25% a fortnight ago.

Overall government approval was at -2%, dropping 16 points in a single day.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-polls-dominic-cummings-approval-rating-lockdown-trip-2020-5%3famp

Alsohuman · 28/05/2020 22:24

@CendrillonSings

You really do think the media runs this country, don’t you? But as the last week has proven quite neatly - they don’t!
No, we know the media don’t run the country. As you say, the last week has shown us who does - Dominic Cummings, for whom not one vote has ever been cast.
LexMitior · 28/05/2020 22:26

Well yes; it’s incredibly unpopular! Saying people shouldn’t ask question or they need to move on while looking irritable isn’t going to go well with people, aside from the “some animals are more equal than others” aspect.

The Conservatives used to be smarter than this. Even May was smarter than this mess.