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to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 4

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SophieB100 · 27/05/2020 14:10

New thread to discuss the cummings and goings of the PM's chief adviser.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3919707-to-think-Dominic-Cummings-should-go-thread-3

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CendrillonSings · 28/05/2020 16:55

Well you’re obviously not, because you know how ridiculous you’ll look when you get it wrong. Again Grin

chomalungma · 28/05/2020 16:57

Boris won't be gone by Christmas.

But he can own all this mess up.
And he can own the way people have seen this.

Is this what taking back control feels like?
To quote Darth Vadar in Rogue One, does he feel in control?

Roussette · 28/05/2020 17:07

Cendrillon
I'd give up if I were you.

Just to let you know... I've saved this thread to resurrect it when he does go. and you can look like a bit of a cock

Roussette · 28/05/2020 17:10

I linked this elsewhere for anyone who might be interested...

here is a twitter link with a live doc showing which Tory MPs have
Called for a resignation 43
Criticised Cummings 51
Supported Cummings 124
Neutral 45
No info 99

Figures are as above at the moment, it lists them all individually if you want to look up your own MP if they're Tory

twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1265687968590766084

Alsohuman · 28/05/2020 17:10

@CendrillonSings

Well you’re obviously not, because you know how ridiculous you’ll look when you get it wrong. Again Grin
I don’t see how I can get it wrong again since I’ve only said it once and Christmas is still seven months away.
PotholeParadise · 28/05/2020 17:11

Why are you so obsessed with that Cendrillon? It's not witty, it just seems deranged.

Mittens030869 · 28/05/2020 17:16

I think BoJo will pay the price for not having listened to all the 61 Tory MPs who told him that he should sack Cummings. The party will suffer in the polls as a result and there’s no party more ruthless than the Tories when it comes to protecting their own interests, and a lot of them are in seats that never had a Tory MP before.

I think he may well live to regret his decision to stand by his special advisor.

itsgettingweird · 28/05/2020 17:26

I don't know pot there's been an interesting split between how people on both sides have responded.

Those against Cummings are arguing using evidence if what he's said and police and backing up their arguments with Twitter posts. They may not be right but they are evidencing.

Those for Cummings staying are predominately just making quips and adding emojis and repeating what others have said and adding things like "ok then" with sarcasm.

It's great there are differing views. There should be. That's what democracy is all about. But insults aren't helpful to debate and arguments.

PotholeParadise · 28/05/2020 17:47

It's very interesting. I think some people must work on a different debate scoring system to me, because any time I see posts like that on a subject I'm not invested in, the posters who respond to multiple paragraphs with emoticons look as if they have nothing to rebut the points made.

CendrillonSings · 28/05/2020 17:53

Alsohuman

I don’t see how I can get it wrong again since I’ve only said it once and Christmas is still seven months away.

I’m pretty sure you predicted Boris was finished before the election in December, and we all know how that turned out. Hence if you predict he’ll be gone by this December and he isn’t - yet again - then that would be “again”.

Always happy to explain!

LockdownLucie · 28/05/2020 17:56

So basically BoJo is either dismissing any questions he doesn’t want to answer or ignoring them.

YouTheCat · 28/05/2020 17:59

Yes. Just like he's always done. It's just people have suddenly started to notice.

PotholeParadise · 28/05/2020 18:00

Actually, that's a lie of omission.

In this case, what I think is also happening is that on MN, where posts are ordered by time of posting, astroturfers are putting in zero effort, perhaps because they are paid on a piecework system. Or possibly impact. I have spotted some interesting new usernames recently.

Not all of them. I can see and name people on MN who have genuine sincere beliefs. I may disagree with them but I respect them and their right to disagree with me. But we do have new posters posting very little and a couple of unfortunates who put ages in to long posts that would have fitted in better on reddit with its upvote system

To be fair, I was paid to back Cummings and had no oversight, I would be operating across multiple platforms and I wouldn't be working very hard on each post on MN. It would be about churning them out here. It's not as easy as it looks to convincingly argue a point of view you don't hold and it takes a lot of work for mere typing, bit like writing a novel. Much more time-effective to vaguely smear based on rumours from posts on twitter you don't cite, and less upsetting when your work is buried in the depths of page 24.

As it is, MN is my online home, and I am engaged in the thread, so I will spend ten minutes ferreting out links. I may be a fool, but I'm a sincere fool.

sleepingpup · 28/05/2020 18:02

what's an astroturfer @PotholeParadise ?

Alsohuman · 28/05/2020 18:03

Here’s my prediction from 13 December @CendrillonSings. Just found it via advanced search. Turns out my powers of prediction are better than I realised!

^Maybe Johnson could last 5 years. But can he be bothered?

It’ll take him a lot less than five years to fuck up spectacularly.^

CendrillonSings · 28/05/2020 18:07

A prediction from the day after the election? And an extremely vague one at that? How very convenient.

I take it you didn’t find any from before it? Wink

Alsohuman · 28/05/2020 18:08

Why don’t you go and have a look? I have nothing to prove.

Peregrina · 28/05/2020 18:10

It’ll take him a lot less than five years to fuck up spectacularly.

Grin

Cue Cendrillon rushing in to tell us about his 80 seat majority. Now this might well save the Tory party, but not Johnson himself.

PotholeParadise · 28/05/2020 18:11

Someone who pretends to be a 'grass-roots activist' or ordinary person just saying what they think, but turns out to be sent down from a political party HQ to stir up dissent and make it look as if an opinion is more prevalent than it might actually be. Hence astroturf- fake grass!

You get a lot of it on MN around electiontime, especially as the political parties know when the elections will be and so have time to write their OPs well in advance.

PigletJohn · 28/05/2020 18:13

Boris, it seems, has staked his reputation on Cummings, and relies on him.

So if and when he goes, it will be because the Conservatives have managed to line themselves up sufficiently to knife him.

They will have to do that in time for the replacement leader to get his face known before the next election.

Murdoch's man is Gove.

sleepingpup · 28/05/2020 18:14

@PotholeParadise 👍🏻 thank you

PotholeParadise · 28/05/2020 18:15

As MN has told me, Cummings shaped the one-man educational force of destruction that was Gove. Not sure he's much better than Boris. What about Robert Buckland?

FliesandPies · 28/05/2020 18:17

@Alsohuman none of my biz I know, but there's no need to justify yourself to anyone, particularly a goady stalker. It only feeds a pitiful ego. Smile

SabrinaThwaite · 28/05/2020 18:17

Maybe Johnson could last 5 years. But can he be bothered?

It’ll take him a lot less than five years to fuck up spectacularly.

Well, about 6 months by the looks of things.

Now, who do we know that has retrospectively edited their blogs to make them look super clever?

chomalungma · 28/05/2020 18:25

I loved that Sam Coates question.

I also worry that a lot of this is being rushed out as dead cats. The R rate is nearish to 1 - especially in some parts of the UK and yet we have been told that things are getting better - the 7 day average daily deaths is increasing.