to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 4

[SophieB100]

New thread to discuss the cummings and goings of the PM's chief adviser.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3919707-to-think-Dominic-Cummings-should-go-thread-3

Who will download this app voluntarily?

Well apparently they did in South Korea and Keir Starmer keeps repeating over and over again that we should have copied South Korea.

Every time MH says that we 'must' stay home I feel personally insulted

You and me both.

I also found myself saying "stick your track and trace up your jacksie", I know that's unreasonable but I really do feel like telling them to shove it.

@Clavinova

Alsohuman

So you would prefer the boy to hug his granny?

No I wouldn’t. As you very well know. Being disingenuous doesn’t help your case. The point I was making is that I saw just two sad sacrifices today which are replicated all over the country while Cummings blithely sacrifices fuck all and laughs in our faces.

Well, they should exercise their personal judgment and common sense in light of their own unique personal circumstances, surely? True but he still shouldn't hug the granny. DC won't care if the granny is hugged if he is as evil as portrayed.

I am merry but she's not replying. She never does in my experience.
When our own PM can't even clarify the rules and my MP can't or won't what exactly is my next step? Just wait until I'm told I must stay at home and then be forced to by fines if people don't comply.

And this is a democratic country?

Why did Durham police lie? They let everyone think they had visited the Cummings' farm after a tip off.

"Police were unaware that Cummings had travelled to his parents’ farm in Durham from his London home until his father informed them."

"Robert Cummings asked a friend to contact police because he wanted security advice after his son, suffering from Covid-19 symptoms, arrived in the north-east in late March."

"Months earlier he had got advice on security for his son from Durham police, but had mislaid the contact details."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/durham-police-chief-calls-for-investigation-into-dominic-cummings

Derxa who portrayed the boy as evil?

True but he still shouldn't hug the granny.

Well, we don't know their unique individual circumstances after all.

DC couldn't give a fuck who dies without a hug or a handhold from a loved one, so long as it's not him. I include his 'D'W and his child in that. He's the kind of stoat that only has care for himself. He uses the others he professes to care about as human shields behind which to hide his utter lack of care or shame.

Derxa sorry I misunderstood. I misinterpreted DC to mean the little boy

My MP is completely quiet. I am so tired of him already.

Why did Durham police lie?

Why do you care?

If they did lie (and I think it's more likely that there replies to questions were misinterpreted, or that a spokesperson wasn't aware of all the facts), that is a separate matter that has no relation to his outing to Barnard Castle on Easter Sunday.

If the app was going to be provided by a reputable company, I wouldn't have a problem with it but it isn't. It's his mates and doesn't at least one of them have form for breaching data protection?

If they did lie (and I think it's more likely that there replies to questions were misinterpreted, or that a spokesperson wasn't aware of all the facts)

Even their updated statement implies that they contacted the family first.

On the balance of probabilities you I'd say most likely both

A why did the police randomly contact the family clav? I've never had the police just happen to ring for a chat

If the app was going to be provided by a reputable company

Which company are you talking about?

A why did the police randomly contact the family clav? I've never had the police just happen to ring for a chat

They didn't - the Guardian reports that DC's father contacted them for security advice via a friend.

I have to agree the police have not acted well here.

doesn't at least one of them have form for breaching data protection?

Dido Harding was head of TalkTalk when they had a massive data breach in 2015 affecting 4 million customers. When asked if the data had been encrypted she said she didn't know.

Even their updated statement implies that they contacted the family first.

If you have concerns about Durham police I suggest you write a letter of complaint.

However, unless they told DC to test his eyesight by going for a drive, their actions aren't relevant to the question of whether or not DC broke the rules.

"Dido Harding was head of TalkTalk when they had a massive data breach in 2015 affecting 4 million customers. When asked if the data had been encrypted she said she didn't know."

Well we can all sleep well then

their actions aren't relevant

I think their actions are very relevant.

His actions are far more relevant. Especially having been an unelected (and really rather unqualified) official who was instrumental in drawing up the guidelines/instructions/rules. . .

The article I was reading a few days ago seems to have disappeared. Strange.

But this is interesting:

<strong>One of the controversies of the UK design is that NHSX has chosen not to use a template provided by Apple and Google which stores most of its data on individual phone handsets, rather than a single database. While Germany and Italy have decided to adopt this template, both Britain and France favour a more centralised system — separate to the Apple and Google model — which gather anonymised “identifiers” for each app user together on a government server.</strong>

I mean, why not use a system that is already there?

They might be relevant to police malpractice, but please explain why they are relevant to the specific question of whether DC broke lock down rules?

Whether or not you think he should have gone to Durham in the first place, based on what DC said it's clear that the trip to Barnard Castle broke the rules.