To be pissed off at the Muslim community?

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The vast majority of my Muslim neighbours and family members have had visitors over for Eid. Not just one household, but a steady stream of them. My mum, who’s vulnerable and has pretty much kept to herself over the last couple of months, has mixed with four different households since Sunday. Her response is ‘Well they turned up/travelled to say Eid Mubarak. They’re right on our doorstep. I couldn’t possibly turn them away without serving them food’.

Media accounts of how Muslim communities life in extended family networks miss the point that these ties are not simply dependent on proximity but are based on entrenched feelings of social obligation.

Bearing in mind that the BAME community is more at risk anyway, I’m pissed off at the Muslims I know, fearful of a second spike, and hoping that the cites they live in get locked the fuck down again before they all get sick.

Yabu to be pissed off with Muslims, I'm sure plenty managed to celebrate sensibly. Your mother on the other hand is an adult who should have not let visitors in. I personally don't have a problem with bottom of the path visitors it's a very sensible solution for the people who need face to face interaction

As a muslim family we have had people passing by and have sat in the garden 2 metres away and had a chat. I have had people drop food off and I have done the same. This is all part of what me and my loved ones do.
My husband is heartbroken at not having any congregational prayers even before Ramadan. He prays regularly through the day at any mosque that he happens to be near. There has not been a single congregational prayer in any of the mosques that he attends (approx 10).
We have celebrated Eid within our own home with just us. It has been hard but we have followed the rules. So to then hear DC .
I despair of threads like this.... we are not the same......

How can you be annoyed with one group, and yet ignore the crowds on the beaches last weekend,who may or may not have been Muslim?

@RandomLondoner

She didn't say or imply "all muslims", either

The OP clearly stated in her title: To be pissed off at the Muslim community

So, which Muslims are exempt, pray tell?

Its crystal clear - the title is a sweeping, broad brush on ALL Muslims. ALL.

@CovidicusRex

I know lots of muslims that are not visiting for Eid this year and it’s not even banned to visit where some of them are. Just like I know lots of Muslims who don’t circumcise and listen to music and drink wine. Your friends and family aren’t doing this because they’re Muslim, they’re doing it because they’re a bit thick. Unfortunately there’s a big overlap between the two but that doesn’t really make it ok to conflate muslims at large with the dumb ones.

Also, a public service announcement:

Islam is not a race. It’s not racist to say things against Muslims. It’s downright insulting to conflate anti-Muslim sentiment with racism. Race is something an individual can’t help and it’s not a reflection on their morality, beliefs or, general worthiness. Religion on the other hand is something that one chooses to accept and is very much a reflection on morality etc. IT IS NOT OK TO USE RACE AS SHORT HAND FOR ISLAM!

@CovidicusRex I was also going to comment that I was irritated by the accusations of racism because I am feeling pedantic. Muslims come from many different backgrounds so you'd really have to be rather Peopleist to have a go at all of them. And you can't be racist about a religion anyway.

I would really rather people said Those Particular People I am Referring To are Twats because there are twats in every single ethnic group. Moreover, there are plenty of people near me that did stay at home, as much as it pained them to do so, so I would say that OP is referring to twats.

You can be pissed off with your neighbours, by all mean.

The Muslim Community as a whole - that’s a lot of people you don’t know.

I don't see any of the muslim community crowding Weston Super Mare beach and the hospital there being shut as a result of 40% of the staff being infected with covid.
I think it's a bit rascist to suggest it's only the muslim community when the entire country are behaving selfishly and like idiots.

I'm not going to quibble about the meaning of rascist - you know full well what I actually mean.

Big Eid party happened here in a car park/grounds. (London) Roughly 200, barbecue and feast, not into social distancing even slightly. Police turned up, tried to have a word, realized the (respected) landowner had apparently sanctioned it and left.

Something similar happened in Stamford Hill with a large Jewish party for Lag BaOmar, except the police where more determined to end it, but it was held on the streets, and earlier in the month.

In the news I see the beaches covered with thousands of (mainly white skinned) folks on BH monday, and the police ignoring it as totally overwhelmed.

On TV government leaders congregated on stairways telling everyone else to stay home and socially distance while they spread it round themselves and all around them, and the police guard their front door.

My take away is what race/religion/caste or supposed 'community' etc any of these folks who've decided they'll be making their own decisions are from, is irrelevant. The only difference is the last lot.

At least the others aren't telling the rest of us what we must do while doing as they please.

Big Eid party happened here in a car park/grounds. (London) Roughly 200, barbecue and feast

Why is that the Christmas dinner is never called a ‘feast’? I realise you say this was a big party but I’ve often seen the marking of the end of Ramadan called a feast when for many it’s simple a meal.

I apologise if my terminology is in someway wrong but in better times I absolutely referred to our families Christmas meal as a feast! (and hope to be able to do so again)

Perhaps I'm just seeing others norm as more luxury than I should, but it fitted my idea of a 'feast', many beautifully dressed people, lots of flowers, and much lovely looking food and sweets being pressed on all. Second and third helpings being consumed by the brave, and more being distributed and taken home.
Apart from fears for their future health and well being, It looked like a lovely happy occasion for all.

It's just know as Christmas dinner suppose

So you are pissed off at the entirety of the Muslim community because some people who happen to be Muslim have not followed guidelines.

I guess 'feast' annoys me because many people assume that Muslims observe Ramadan for a feast at the end, and that's not true. When you haven't eaten or drunk so much as a drop of water for 17 hours, the last thing you want is a 'feast' at 9pm at night or on Eid.

They are probably just checking their eyesight

I think everyone across the country said sod it on VE Day and no one has really gotten back to isolating properly since then. And with Dom-Cum and the government basically saying just follow your instincts it’s all fine and we need to move on, I’m not surprised at all that people want to share an important religious festival with their loved ones. Ain’t nobody going to convince me now that had lockdown (or whatever this “alert” phase is!) happened over Christmas people would be doing that alone.

think everyone across the country said sod it on VE Day and no one has really gotten back to isolating properly since then
Eh? No one had street parties where I live. I saw maybe 2 sets of flags and that was it .

If anyone goes into houses surely that is more risky than a street party?

People were socially distancing in my area and I didn't attend anyway

What will you do in December?

Stop lumping all in one group.

That's a long time away though.

At the moment no one should be going into different houses for a meal is my understanding

Oh and your neighbour could have been Albanian - they are white with sun tan - like the Greeks you may have seen on an all inclusive. Albanians don’t tend to go to the mosque - blame communism- but they do the meals With families and charity And best clothes thing - not got to be new just something nice.

Whoever it was shouldn't be doing it regardless of religion, creed., occasion etc😊

Why put yourself or family at risk?

Your mum is an adult making her own decisions, and if she chooses to let people in her house, that's her issue.

Our compliant, non-Muslim next door neighbour stuck to the letter for 2 months. She had the entire family, adult children, grandchildren and cousins round for the ubiquitous BBQ yesterday.
DC has potentially caused untold harm.
We’re sticking to guidelines, and more, because it’s essential for my family’s continued safety.

@CovidicusRex
Also, a public service announcement:
Islam is not a race. It’s not racist to say things against Muslims. It’s downright insulting to conflate anti-Muslim sentiment with racism. Race is something an individual can’t help and it’s not a reflection on their morality, beliefs or, general worthiness. Religion on the other hand is something that one chooses to accept and is very much a reflection on morality etc. IT IS NOT OK TO USE RACE AS SHORT HAND FOR ISLAM!

I am soooo tired of hearing this ridiculously reductive and inaccurate assertion.

It is clearly established that racism and Islamophobia intersect and that assumptions about one are frequently based on assumptions about the other. e.g. a racist shouts anti-Muslim abuse at an Asian man, who isn't actually Muslim. That's both racism and Islamophobia. If a company bans the wearing of turbans, this is prosecuted as racism because it disproportionally affects people from a particular ethnic group in India regardless of the fact that Sikhism is a religion that anyone could belong to. The same with anti-Semitism. I'm sure you will not claim that anti-Semitism is not racism, yet Jews belong to many ethnic groups.

The vast majority of Muslims in the UK are of non-white ethnicity, so regardless of whether they are religious, observant, cultural or atheist, Islamophia can be experienced by them all by virtue of their ethnicities. Therefore Islamophobia is a form of racism.