To be pissed off at the Muslim community?

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The vast majority of my Muslim neighbours and family members have had visitors over for Eid. Not just one household, but a steady stream of them. My mum, who’s vulnerable and has pretty much kept to herself over the last couple of months, has mixed with four different households since Sunday. Her response is ‘Well they turned up/travelled to say Eid Mubarak. They’re right on our doorstep. I couldn’t possibly turn them away without serving them food’.

Media accounts of how Muslim communities life in extended family networks miss the point that these ties are not simply dependent on proximity but are based on entrenched feelings of social obligation.

Bearing in mind that the BAME community is more at risk anyway, I’m pissed off at the Muslims I know, fearful of a second spike, and hoping that the cites they live in get locked the fuck down again before they all get sick.

if they were really religious in their living, they would consider perhaps they ought not to call on elderly

Yes, because we must always, always hold Muslims to higher standards than the rest of us

@frazzledasarock

There have been secret congregational prayers. No, not ‘all’ imams. Not even most, have been hosting these events. But don’t generalise the other way please.

Frankly people have been ignoring lockdown and social distancing rules the whole way through anyway.Any of the big events Eid/Christmas/Diwali etc would have people out mixing when their not suppose to.

I've watched several CF neighbours constantly ignore lockdown rules all the way through.Friends and family have experienced the same on their streets.

@tempnamechange25

Well done to you for sticking to your principles.I can't believe you got stick for keeping yourself and your own household safe.Here's hoping you have a wonderful Eid next year with your extended family.

There’s not been any secret congregational prayers around my family friends and and social circle.

We’ve had a lot of deaths tho, we’ve been raising funds (online) to finance burials. I’ve lost very close friends to this virus.

Our friends and family have been very strictly adhering to lockdown and non of the mosques small or large have encouraged or tried to break lockdown.

Social isolation has been backed up and scholars and imams are quoting ancient scholars who introduced the idea of social isolation during times of plague.

Given the way the community is, if people were holding secret congregational prayers I’d have heard about one. I don’t believe you.

Yabu by generalizing that all or most Muslims flouted the lockdown rules on Eid. As a Muslim who is pregnant and has been strictly self isolating with my family even before the lockdown was announced, frankly I find your post quite offensive. We have managed to stick to self isolating over Eid, as have nearly all my family and friends. It's not been great for my mental health and I'm fucked off with the beachgoers, and the government and all those who think the rules don't apply to them prolonging this whole nightmare.

On Eid my siblings and some friends came to the door and stood at a safe enough distance for us to see each other after exhanging presents and have a quick chat. Rather than blaming the entire Muslim community, your anger should be directed at your mother who isn't strong enough to put her foot down and say she is not allowing visitors. If offering them food is so important as is the norm on a normal Eid, she could easily have packed them some food after a quick hello and sent them on their way from the doorstep.

@frazzledasarock

I’m genuinely pleased that you don’t know of any secret taraweeh prayers. It’s a positive sign in your community. But they absolutely have taken place and I’ve fallen out with family who have attended them.

[quote Redolent]@frazzledasarock

I’m genuinely pleased that you don’t know of any secret taraweeh prayers. It’s a positive sign in your community. But they absolutely have taken place and I’ve fallen out with family who have attended them.[/quote]
Where? Name the places.

I have imams and Islamic teachers in my family and social circle. Nowhere have I heard of congregational prayers being performed. Why did you not report them if you knew this was going on?

Whataloadofshite "Oh yay islamaphobia" you might want to read more of what the OP said. She is a muslim for a start.

SharonasCorona Religious people (not just Muslims) claim that they do live to a higher standard than the rest of us so I'm fine with pointing out that they do the same things as everyone else.

Where?

@LastTrainEast

Religious people (not just Muslims) claim that they do live to a higher standard than the rest of us so I'm fine with pointing out that they do the same things as everyone else.

No they don’t, stop making up shite.

I did report it. Nothing was done. And no I’m not posting the name of the mosque leader here, too outing.

I think I’m done. I’ll discuss this on UmmahForum or some other homogenous community. There won’t be the implication of goadyness there at least.

OP are you familiar with the phrase 'third class'? I think you might be There is nothing we can do about this, the same as there is nothing we can do about people getting pissed up in the park or travelling miles to the coast and pooing on beaches (according to the news or MN or whatever source you choose). It's not about religion, it's about people being wankers.

Tell your mum to keep her front door shut. Having family/friends over for Eid is not compulsory, from my limited knowledge of the Koran I believe that protecting the vulnerable in society comes well before having your second cousin twice removed round for Eid. I may be wrong however, as per my above reference to 'third class', but in my experience they are the minority not the majority.

And you bet your fucking arse that if Sunday had been Christmas Day the govt would never ever have enforced a lockdown for this country.
Maybe some Muslims didn’t follow all the rules on Eid day. Maybe they got together and we’re selfish and irresponsible.
I’m not sure how many people hand on heart here or anywhere else could say they would have done the same at xmas time and even if they wouldn’t some people’s actions are not representive of an entire community

I'm ex muslim but I haven't seen any more or less flouting of the 'rules' from any side of the debate.

I have seen a lot of lockdown fatigue across the race demographic though, but according to an opinion piece in the guardian this was never a talking point in behavioral science so we can just blame the tory gov for it.

If it was Christmas would you have your relatives over ? I know I would despite having stuck to all the rules so far

Huh really OP naming the mosque would out you? Out of hundreds of congregation members you would be outed
I mean you already reported it so you might as well name and shame.
You want to shame our whole community do go for it

Secret congregational prayers? I call BS

Eid just happens to have coincided when everyone is just fed up it was always going to get to this point

Vast majority of people were following guidelines a month ago now few are, cases are down and also the top government advisor hasn’t bothered so why should anyone else do so to save the NHS

I only know this not because I'm being nosy and curtain twitching but because my neighbour has form for doing video calls in the gardens and talking very loud, so I know they have visited their family for eid since he said he was going to visit the day before and even stayed overnight.

Only confirmed by the lack of slamming back garden door all day and night as they go in and out their garden and only heard them when they slammed their door in the afternoon.

Given they have a new born I'm surprised they did that especially when louding proclaiming how we all need to keep our distances from people for a long time and they are keeping away from people

They should really learn to keep their voices down.