To be pissed off at the Muslim community?

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The vast majority of my Muslim neighbours and family members have had visitors over for Eid. Not just one household, but a steady stream of them. My mum, who’s vulnerable and has pretty much kept to herself over the last couple of months, has mixed with four different households since Sunday. Her response is ‘Well they turned up/travelled to say Eid Mubarak. They’re right on our doorstep. I couldn’t possibly turn them away without serving them food’.

Media accounts of how Muslim communities life in extended family networks miss the point that these ties are not simply dependent on proximity but are based on entrenched feelings of social obligation.

Bearing in mind that the BAME community is more at risk anyway, I’m pissed off at the Muslims I know, fearful of a second spike, and hoping that the cites they live in get locked the fuck down again before they all get sick.

How many people would not see their family if this happened over Christmas? Honestly??

If it was Christmas, with infection rates so low, yes we would probably have seen some family. A small group who have all been separately isolating though (home working outside the home), and certainly not turning up at doorways with gifts expecting to be invited in by wider family. We're distancing too much for that anyway. Especially when someone's elderly I think that's very selfish behaviour, and I'm not surprised you're pissed off. Your mum should take a little more care for her own health if she's vulnerable, but I don't know how you can get her to see that, sorry.

One set of our neighbours went away for a week for Eid. I don't know where they went. Fairly sure he had covid in March as his cough was dreadful; she works in the hospital and the boy's in nursery, so they have a lot of contacts anyway and if they've all 3 had it then they'd be very low risk visitors. Depends on the circumstances of whoever they were visiting of course, as well as information I don't know about their health, I don't intend to pry.

@MRex and yet, for someone who doesn’t like to pry, you come across quite well informed and are giving us so much information to judge them by...

I can't believe mumsnet have let this thread stand. Would they let the following hypothetical threads stand?
"To be pissed off with the Christian community for .....?"
"To be pissed off at the white community for ...?"
"To be pissed off at the Jewish community for...?"
It doesn't matter if the op claims to be Muslim, this thread incites hatred.

@flashbac but she’s talking about her own family and their religion ?

And no it doesn’t incite hatred in normal ,well balanced people .. ffs

My Muslim neighbour has had large family gatherings including young children and even baby since lockdown started. People come and go daily from their house so obviously they arnt worried about Corona. I'm more angry with the bloody barbecues for the gatherings where the smoke goes directly into my home and stinks it out. I have to rush to get my washing in and closed all windows and doors without them warning me.

@nicky

Lol more worried about BBQs than gross breaking of lockdown.

The virus does seem to hit the BAME people harder so perhaps breaking the lockdown for family gatherings isn't very sensible if that is their ethnicity.

I would love to see my dcs and Dgc bit would rather do it when it is permitted.

@Fluffybutter
Then she should amend the title. Blaming the whole 'community' FFS.
And btw, I hate to remind you but the population doesn't consist solely of 'well balanced people'. Why else do we have this shit show of liars ruling over us now? It's not like we weren't warned by lies on the side of a bus or people hiding in fridges was it (sarcasm).

Have a cup of tea ,dear.
You might combust ..

I thought they were going to delete this thread? I'm sure I saw a post from MNHQ saying they were.

@flashbac It doesn't matter if the op claims to be Muslim, this thread incites hatred

110% on the money.

I'm Muslim and I find this entire thread racist. The OP's single sweep blame brush demeanour is racist. The OP has no valid way of censoring almost 3m Muslims in the UK who are all of varying ethnic backgrounds and enjoy different customs...even for Eid.

For that alone, the OP is racist.

I thought they were going to delete this thread? I'm sure I saw a post from MNHQ saying they were.

No they didn't. They deleted those posts, including my own, which questioned whether the OP is actually Muslim, including my reference to an earlier post from the same person where they talked about celebrating Christmas. And I am past caring if they want to ban me for saying so, because I am disgusted at MNHQ for allowing this thread to stand despite many reports about the tone. It seems to me that MNHQ are happy to allow incitement and provocation provided it generates a footprint that allows their stats to look good for advertisers. Any reasonable assessment of this situation and the context clearly demonstrates that the thread has a very disturbing side to it and promotes divisiveness.

@Moondust001 Hear Hear 👏🏼

Yabu I’m a Muslim and spent eid at home as did everyone else I know. you know there’s people of every religion breaking the rules everyday

@littlejalapeno - my point in giving the detail was that circumstances can be different on each side. If people have already been infected, then you can understand why their approach to risks might be different. Same if they're already mixing with some groups in other contexts.

The OP is pissed of with a group she belongs to because they might kill her mother. What other groups are doing or not doing is irrelevant, they're not the ones she's most affected by. She wasn't arguing this group was generally worse. She didn't say or imply "all muslims", either.

A lot of people lack reading comprehension. Especially all those who couldn't tell from the start that she was Muslim.

I know lots of muslims that are not visiting for Eid this year and it’s not even banned to visit where some of them are. Just like I know lots of Muslims who don’t circumcise and listen to music and drink wine. Your friends and family aren’t doing this because they’re Muslim, they’re doing it because they’re a bit thick. Unfortunately there’s a big overlap between the two but that doesn’t really make it ok to conflate muslims at large with the dumb ones.

Also, a public service announcement:

Islam is not a race. It’s not racist to say things against Muslims. It’s downright insulting to conflate anti-Muslim sentiment with racism. Race is something an individual can’t help and it’s not a reflection on their morality, beliefs or, general worthiness. Religion on the other hand is something that one chooses to accept and is very much a reflection on morality etc. IT IS NOT OK TO USE RACE AS SHORT HAND FOR ISLAM!

OP may be muslim,i am not sure. But as a muslim myself,i can assure you i have not heard of any secret congregational prayers anywhere.
Also just like all religious groups and races etc, we have people sticking to rules strictly and people flouting the rules. I personally do not think it is a race or religious thing. It is down to how a person feels about said rules.
In my own family, i have had different interpretations of the rules. I agree with some and i disagree with some.
But to come out with the " i hate muslims.." rhetoric whether you are one yourself or not is very dangerous.
I also think you are angry with the wrong person/ people. Your mum let them in, whether she was being polite or not. I don't think anyone would barge into another person's home uninvited. If i ever got an inkling someone did not want me in their home for whatever reason, i would not stay a single second. (Generally, not in lockdown) On the other hand if i got a warm welcome etc, i would take that as an invite. I unfortunately am not a mind reader.

@Moondust001 loads of muslims celebrate Christmas. Jesus was a prophet after all so it’s totally fine and just a bit of fun. Unless you ask the extreme ones, according to them you’re on par with a murder morally.

I can't believe MN have let this thread stand. As said by PP above, the usage of the term 'the Muslim community' is racist and tars all Muslims with the same brush. It makes no difference who the OP is, it's still inflammatory and complex unnecessary.

And yes, if you replace the word 'Muslim' with any other group e.g Christian, Jewish, Hindu etc. you'll quickly realise how offensively the title reads.

*completely unnecessary

I live in London and know lots of Muslims families. None of them went to visit relatives on Eid and many shared food with neighbours by just dropping stuff off.

I find your post offensive