To hope this racist woman loses her job

[TildaKauskumholm]

twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920?s=19. Was appalled to see this video on Twitter - a guy in Central park, NYC, who was birdwatching, politely asked a woman to put her dog on the lead as per the regulation in that part of the park. He started filming it as she got abusive and called the cops, to say that she (white) and her dog were being threatened by an African-American man and could they send the police (as we know this can often result in a shooting).All the while she was holding her dog up by dangling it from its collar, half strangling it. The man left and his sister put the video on Twitter, resulting in the racist dog strangler being identified very quickly... she has a high powered job with an insurance company. The animal shelter took back the dog, and her company says she is on 'administrative leave' hopefully meaning she will get fired. I was really shocked and dismayed that such open racism is still going on, even though she was being filmed! Surely she must lose her job at least, what company would want to be linked to something like this?

The racism, the justifications, the concerns for a dog above the life of a person. So distressing. Privileged white women do exist in a bubble. And so many times I have seen this even beyond race. Campaigning for more privilege like the ‘women on boards’ campaign while refusing to discuss the issue of low pay for working normal women.

@EnthusiasmIsDisturbed you are part of the problem.

The first couple of posts on the thread demonstrate what I am talking about. Posters immediately excusing this women because she is white.

I do want to take issue with this. The posts you highlighted didn't "excuse the woman because she is white". They presented potential mitigating factors. There is enough racism in the world (as demonstrated by the woman in the video) without having to make it up.

I think in this case it is possible to hold several thoughts in one's head at a time

a) The woman behaved appallingly way, and used her white privilege to threaten a man
b) The woman is clearly troubled (see the post above about her instagram post and her dog), and
c) Public shaming is a pretty horrible phenomenon.

I might be wrong but from the way I saw it she was fine at the start, it was only on the phone call she 'seemed terrified'. Absolute scumbag, as someone said above, chilling and lucky that he was filming. The semantics(him filming, the dog treats etc) aren't great but my god it is scary people like her exist. Saying that, the naming and shaming thing on social media, ... I don't know ...

I am just happy that now we are able to record these instances. Did anyone else see the video of the woman calling the police because a black man had taken the wrong turn and was trying to reverse out. Or the white woman who called the police on a black man trying to enter his own building because she didn't believe a black man would live there.

White women behaving like Karens is something my parents warned me about since I was a kid. My cousins who are black have been told to never find themselves in a position where they are alone with a white woman who is crying in the middle of the night - it will only end in tears (ironically).

I have personally dedicated my time and money trying to support victims of Karens.

Why is that wax ?

Calling someone a Karen is not racist ffs.

As for 'we don't know what it's like living in such a scary place', some of us do know, I lived in DC for a long time back when it was the murder capital of the US. Didn't turn me into a racist.

Come on. Now even I think that is a ridiculous suggestion.

I guess you’d think it less ridiculous if you were a black male in the USA where it is sadly not uncommon for black males going about their business perfectly innocuously to be, at best, arrested or, at worst, badly injured or killed by cops sicced on them by vindictive white people.

She talked of him threatening her life but she knew what the implications could be for him with her peculiar emphasis on ‘African American’ during her 911 call. Yes she knew. She knew damned well.

Enthusiasm you're ignoring the racism.

a) The woman behaved appallingly way, and used her white privilege to threaten a man
b) The woman is clearly troubled (see the post above about her instagram post and her dog), and
c) Public shaming is a pretty horrible phenomenon.

I agree. I am not defending her but some of the responses on this thread are just so over the top. You don't know exactly what happened. I don't know exactly what happened. So maybe we should, I don't know, hold off from screaming that she should have her life destroyed?

What Quantum just said.

From who

Him to her

Or her to him

?

Before she called the police, she said to the man, who presumably didn't need a description of himself, that she would say she was being threatened by an African American man.

@changeitupagain watch the video, then comment again.

Enthusiasm there was no racism from him to her.

The majority of MN users are white middle aged women who can't understand anything beyond their own little fish bowl thinking*

I hate to do the not all of us thing but I feel the need to - as a middle aged, white woman count me as another who's sickened by some of the attitudes on here.
You're right though, some can't or won't question their attitudes - as you say, fishbowl thinking and total, utter ignorance.
How can people not see how utterly abhorrent her actions are?
What has the colour of his skin got to do with anything, why even mention that to the police?
Unless you knew damn fucking well what you were doing and it would automatically ramp her complaint up?
It's vile that people actually do this, vile that people are defending, or victim blaming or cannot see the disgusting racism.

Mumsnet needs to address the vile undercurrent of racism and transphobia that sadly exist on this site
Completely agree, love MN and been here years but it's getting utterly toxic.

No - this happens time and time again... What happened their is not unique or a one-off @totallyyesno

She's a VP of a Insurance company - can you imagine how many subordinates she managed who might have been black who were told they weren't perhaps 'team players' or 'fit in'. This situation plays out all the time. I hope she stands trial for this.

*there in the park

@changeitupagain. Yeah you need to watch it for the proper context.

If i was being threatened by a man who happened to be black I would call the police and say there is a black man threatening me.

I'm sure race would come up as part of later questions regarding description, but would it be the first thing you'd allude to? It certainly would not be mine in the moment of genuine fear.

I think you have to consider why that would be the first thing you mention.

I can tell you I work in a situation that sometimes requires confronting hostile men and I NEVER do so if I have male colleagues nearby and even then, never on my own without another person. Same when walking anywhere alone. So I don't buy her being afraid.

You might not do it @CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate but that doesn't mean no other woman would. People don't all behave the same. There's an interesting bit in Malcolm Gladwell's Talking to Strangers where he discusses how people thought Amanda Knox was guilty because she didn't behave in the way they thought she should have.

Again, not saying I'm on her side and the way she definitely knew she was doing when staying his race to the police. I just do think she was scared in a neurotic kind of way. She wasn't right to be scared but it sounds like her dog had been in scraps before and she perceived danger everywhere, even where there was none.

I saw this earlier and couldn’t believe it she pointedly used the fact he was black as a threat she knew exactly what she was doing

Trumps America in action

totallyyesno - what about his life that she could have destroyed without the video. Not talking about him being killed. What if the police had no evidence to disprove her claims? Would he have been allowed to go on his merry way or would the actions the police may have taken had consequences for his live and livelihood?

Or is it just her life that matters?

Well I am a white middle aged woman and a hundred per cent with the bird watcher here ffs.

also tape recordings of calls like hers have led to police officers being exonerated for killings, he had to film her to prove the situation.

If i was being threatened by a man who happened to be black I would call the police and say there is a black man threatening me

Odd how people only think it’s important to describe someones skin colour when it isn’t white