To hope this racist woman loses her job

[TildaKauskumholm]

twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920?s=19. Was appalled to see this video on Twitter - a guy in Central park, NYC, who was birdwatching, politely asked a woman to put her dog on the lead as per the regulation in that part of the park. He started filming it as she got abusive and called the cops, to say that she (white) and her dog were being threatened by an African-American man and could they send the police (as we know this can often result in a shooting).All the while she was holding her dog up by dangling it from its collar, half strangling it. The man left and his sister put the video on Twitter, resulting in the racist dog strangler being identified very quickly... she has a high powered job with an insurance company. The animal shelter took back the dog, and her company says she is on 'administrative leave' hopefully meaning she will get fired. I was really shocked and dismayed that such open racism is still going on, even though she was being filmed! Surely she must lose her job at least, what company would want to be linked to something like this?

yet it's women bearing the brunt by facing misogynistic abuse

I give NOT a singular single shit about white women feeling offended by the term Karen. You aren't bearing the brunt of anything. If anything white supremacy benefits you the most after white men. I honestly think you should go speak to white men and ask them about this so called sexism. Frankly white tears shed by Karens only make me smile, not sympathise.

Heartened to see lots of white people out protesting against police brutality in Minneapolis

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@VladmirsPoutine I hear you and understand what you are saying. Please don't be discouraged from talking on these threads. I do believe that their is enough resources out their for people to read and educate theirselves, but nothing is more powerful than personal testimony. If it is getting you down to the point that it is having a detrimental affect on you, than you step back. I took a break from MN a few years ago after being on the thread about Trayvon Martin , under a different username, because of the racism on there. It upset me so much. Take care.

I wonder what would have happened to him if he hadn't had his phone to video this

There was a video early this month (on Twitter) where a white woman who called 911 about a black man standing on the road away from her. Her car was in between them. She was screaming down the phone, 'A black man in attacking me!!! I'm a white woman and I'm alone!!! please help me!! He's coming toward me!! Please, help!! Arrgh!!! He's got my arm!!! Please don't hurt me!!! Please come quick!!!... My arm!!!' etc. The man was just standing there, not moving towards her, the woman standing on the same spot, no one moving, and he was saying, 'I'm just asking you to move your car... wow, wow, you're really doing this'. Anyway, he kept filming until the video went off. I had shivers down my spine.

Another one I saw this morning, not the kneeling one, where a black UPS delivery man, WITH A TROLLEY OF PACKAGES! was accosted by a white woman who said he looked suspicious and rang the police, about him being black and being in her neighbourhood.

There are lots of similar videos on the internet. I said all that to say that the smartest thing a black man in America can do is to switch on his camera once an argument breaks out because the police (or neighbours) will not hesitate to shoot you down. The reason we don't see the start of the altercation is because it isn't planned. People switch on the record button when things take a turn.

FYI, last month, I set a shortcut on my phone to automatically record. I couldn't get it to auto record video but at least if I clicked the button on the side, audio will be recorded. I'm a black woman and I'm no longer taking any chances.

By accusing me (a mixed WOMAN) of being sexist you are knowingly or otherwise letting a white man of the leash.

No, I don't think so. Why must it be one or the other, that I must limit myself to objecting to women being called Karen just for being women on a certain site? Why do you assume I haven't called out men on other sites? It seems like this way of referring to women causes more division than unity.

Wow, America is such an awful place

@zscaler That was the most spectacular analysis!

t seems like this way of referring to women causes more division than unity.

Amongst you lot. As I have already I told you - I give not a singular fuck about how white women feel about the Karen thing. In fact it amuses me. I always enjoy watching how enraged you all get about it whilst knowing my people are out there getting lynched and shot just because they committed the crime of being black in public but you're crying because someone called you Karen. I am not your ally. I don't want to be your ally. I am not a feminist. I don't care about your tears. Even though I am half white I consider myself black.

@tootesuite if your support for black people, and your desire to be a white ally, is depending on black people not using words you don’t like, or on them showing you a certain level of respect, then it’s worthless. You either believe black people are humans regardless of whether they use terms which you personally are offended by, or you don’t. There’s no middle ground here.

So if you say ‘you using the word Karen causes more division than unity’, what you’re actually saying is ‘my support for your humanity is dependent on how nice you are to me’, and that is racist bullshit.

White women at even one point campaigned that they should be given the right to vote because they aren't black men.

White women have told me I don't look the part at interviews and called me aggressive for just repeating myself in the workplace.

White women have been the midwife who told my sister she didn't need any pain relief as she's a "strong black woman."

White women have insisted on calling me "cute" and wishing they had "weird hair like me" (my hair is just black and curly so nothing that different).

White women have told me that my grades wouldn't be enough to get to the Uni I wanted to go to so to 'revise down' my aspirations.

White women have openly asked why my father married a 'slave'.

Honestly go fight your own battles Karens. Frankly I give no fucks if white men are calling out your shit - perhaps you'll tone it down a notch.

I of course support women who are vulnerable, abused, understand why black lives matter and I am GC and I know not all white women are like this but I can assure you, you are a dangerous group - and I say all of the above as a millennial mixed woman. Can you imagine the horror stories of those who don't have the privilege I hold?

Karen is being used as a shorthand for a certain type of behaviour, experienced by some women, perpetrated by other women. It allows people to understand a situation without a lot of explanation. Why are you trying to silence the lived experience of some women?

Of course, no feminist ever used terms such as "Hooray Henry" or "Jack the Lad".

But what good would it be to be your ally, Vlad? You've said that women can turn against black people at any time, which in many cases is true. But if that's always the expectation then what is the point of anything?

"Amongst you lot. As I have already I told you - I give not a singular fuck about how white women feel about the Karen thing. In fact it amuses me."

Nice.

I can't believe people seem to be getting more hung up on the use of the word Karen on this thread!
White women doing that don't speak for me - not in my name.
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I think the only way we will see a change if there's more black peoples in public sectors, i.e. More black people in the police forces and higher up ! More black people in dentistry, more black doctors (I've only seen two!), more black people in politics, more black people in corporate.

Can I just ask? I'm in my 20's and I've only seen two black women doctors in my life time. Why is this? Is it just me?

I can't believe people seem to be getting more hung up on the use of the word Karen on this thread!
White women doing that don't speak for me - not in my name.
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Agreed.

And the fact that they've made an issue out of it in this particular thread is revolting.

Disagree that it's revolting. Two wrongs don't make a right do they.

But if that's always the expectation then what is the point of anything?

The point is that you're an ally because you believe black people deserve the same rights,opportunities and lives. Because it is the right thing to do. Not because you might get praise, acknowledgement ,an ally badge or eternal gratefulness and love.

You don't do it so you get your feelings validated or your position. You don't shout it out, you just do it. By actions,by behaviour, by challenging racism , by acknowledging it, by looking behind the headlines. And most importantly by not judging black people's worthiness of having you as an ally .

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains me neither as a white woman. If all you've got to worry about is being called a Karen then you've got no real problems.

But what good would it be to be your ally, Vlad? You've said that women can turn against black people at any time, which in many cases is true. But if that's always the expectation then what is the point of anything?

Because it’s the right thing to do? Because racism is a white people problem and we’re the ones who have to fix it? Because standing up to racism should be about whether Vlad (or any person of colour) likes and trusts you, but because it’s simply your moral obligation?

Yesterday a black man had a knee pressed into his throat until he suffocated to death by a police officer. Because he tried to pay for something with a counterfeit bill. And all some people have got to complain about is being called Karen.

@zscaler I'm being told alot how I feel. Vlad says I'm enraged and crying, you tell me I want black people to respect me and be nice to me. I'm not and I don't (the latter to only to the extent than person should expect them from another person).

The point is that you're an ally because you believe black people deserve the same rights,opportunities and lives. Because it is the right thing to do. Not because you might get praise, acknowledgement ,an ally badge or eternal gratefulness and love.

Of course I believe this. But why is the default that people want praise on this thread? I haven't seen that on this thread. Unless every person who posted in support of Christian Cooper here wants praise?

But Vlad says she doesn't want allies, so what's the point?