To hope this racist woman loses her job

[TildaKauskumholm]

twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920?s=19. Was appalled to see this video on Twitter - a guy in Central park, NYC, who was birdwatching, politely asked a woman to put her dog on the lead as per the regulation in that part of the park. He started filming it as she got abusive and called the cops, to say that she (white) and her dog were being threatened by an African-American man and could they send the police (as we know this can often result in a shooting).All the while she was holding her dog up by dangling it from its collar, half strangling it. The man left and his sister put the video on Twitter, resulting in the racist dog strangler being identified very quickly... she has a high powered job with an insurance company. The animal shelter took back the dog, and her company says she is on 'administrative leave' hopefully meaning she will get fired. I was really shocked and dismayed that such open racism is still going on, even though she was being filmed! Surely she must lose her job at least, what company would want to be linked to something like this?

Oop, seems like another unarmed black man has been murdered by the cops over in the USA. Which proves yet again that she knew exactly what she was doing with her threat and phone call.

@NotTerfNorCis

You seem unwilling to contemplate either that:

• he was fully entitled to ask someone to abide by the law instead of doing more damage to the wildlife. She had no right to let her dog loose on the wildlife
• in this dynamic as a black man he can be at more risk from a white woman in a position of power than she was from him (a fact she made clear she understood)

So rather than spend more time in futile argument (for both of us) I would recommend trying this book:

www.amazon.co.uk/Longer-Talking-White-People-About/dp/1408870584?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

And if you can buy it from a small, local supplier so much the better.

He did approach her. How do you think they got talking.

On what basis are you asserting this? Because it wasn’t shown in the video, and neither his account not hers make this claim. So it seems to be something you have invented and are now peddling as fact?

She was obviously desperate to get away from him

Is that why she marched right up to him, dragging her dog by the neck? If she was desperate to get away, why didn’t she simply do so? What stopped her?

she kept saying please, sir, leave me alone.

No, she didn’t. She said ‘stop filming me’. Stop telling these lies.

Instead of that he carried on filming her.

Because she was threatening him - a perfectly valid reason to film her.

He's done this kind of thing regularly, that's why he carries dog treats.

What do you mean by ‘this kind of thing?’ Do you mean ‘asked people to leash their dogs in order to protect wildlife’? Why are you acting as though that is a crime?

He's not afraid of any consequences, he feels entitled to do it.

He is entitled to ask people to put their dogs on leads in an area where it is the rules.

When she was desperate enough to threaten to call the police he said something like 'please do' and carried on filming.

She wasn’t desperate. She could have walked away then, or at any time before. She was furious, and she threatened him for the explicit purpose of putting him in his place.

This whole thing is fucked up.

Her actions were fucked up. Your increasingly desperate attempts to gaslight others into seeing this woman as a victim is fucked up.

I can't believe we're talking about the same video. She's obviously upset. You don't fake that kind of quaver in your voice.

I don’t believe you’ve watched the video. She is obviously furious. The change in the register of her voice from furious when she speaks to him to breathy and terrified when she calls the police is chilling.

Most people with empathy would have backed away at that point.

He was asking her, repeatedly, not to approach him as she walked towards him, raising her hand as she did so. Why aren’t you questioning her empathy? Why are you framing this as a situation where he was preventing her from leaving when she marched towards him despite him asking her not to.

she KNEW he would get shot (which stretches credibility to be honest - the police did turn up and no one was shot)

For a start, neither of them were there when the cops showed up so you can hardly claim that as evidence that his life wasn’t in danger.

For another, unless you live under a rock then you know fine well that there have been multiple instances of unarmed black men (and boys) being killed by police in situations where they posed no threat. Tamir Rice, Philando Castile, Botham Jean, Eric Garner, and only this week George Floyd. You are stretching credulity to breaking point by pretending you don’t think Amy Cooper knew exactly what she was doing by telling this man ‘I’m going to tell the police an african American man is threatening my life my life’ (bearing in mind he had said nothing of the kind and was asking her not to approach him. Maybe she didn’t actually expect him to get shot - but she absolutely wanted him to know she was calling upon that possibility.

He was harassing her and filming her.

Do you think she was harassing him by repeatedly approaching him when he asked her not to? Or have you got some excuse for why it’s ok when she does it?

She was upset and trying everything to get him to leave her alone.

Everything except just... following the rules and leaving. Trying everything - including a false and malicious police report - to get him to behave the way she wanted, when at any time she could simply have walked away.

How very true, Myohmy111 . The default reaction of many white people in the face of a black person simply going about their business is fear/disgust/suspicion, so yes, the fear may well have been real.

However, anyone who has spent some time with a sociopath knows how emotions can be turned on and off to suit their needs.

NotCisnorTerf's your gas lighting is remarkable. The classic male tactic of telling women that what they are seeing with their eyes is not real. Considering you are in the tiny minority on this issue, on this thread, in the media, hell, even in respect of Amy Cooper's own opinion of her behaviour that day, what exactly do you think the rest of us are seeing? Are we all just virtue signalling wokesters? Are we thick?

I've been stalked in the past, and attacked twice by him. At no point would I have charged up to my attacker shouting at him. I was so terrified, I ran like fucking crazy the moment I was able to. But I have also been bloody angry with male strangers, and I've gone charging up to them to confront them. Do you object to women filming everyday sexism? Would you object if a man in a van was cat calling me, and I decided I would record him, his van logo, his number plate, as proof to show to his employer? What if he got upset by this, having 10 seconds previously been shouting about my tits? Should I just stop because he said so? What about all the videos shared on FWR of people like J Yaniv being aggressive towards people questioning his actions online and in court? Did you object to the filming of those encounters? Did you sympathise with him when he shouted at them to stop. Of course not. You rejoiced in them. As well you should, because those films helped reveal to the world what a vile creature he is. Hypocrite. Racist.

NotTerfNorCis

You have a dog, don't you.

@ZSCALER Your posts are spot on.

I am actually laughing a bit now having watched it back again, just t6o make sure I am not going mad. Does anyone notice that, between her telling Mr Cooper she's going to call the police to tell them an African American is threatening her, (and him saying please tell them whatever you like), and her actually dialing, she looks up at him for a split second as says, quite politely, "excuse me". Like one would if you had to take a call mid conversation. She is obviously sooo terrified

It was common for slaves to be given the surname of their slave master. That's why Malcolm X changed his surname - he didn't want the slave name of his ancestors.

Both of these people are called Cooper. A couple of hundreds of years ago, black men called Cooper and white women called Cooper would have been having interactions with very different outcomes. None of them good for the black man.

If anyone has the wherewithal to bother with understanding why Amy Cooper knew exactly what she was doing and why the rest of us black people are terrified of you please just scan through this piece on 'The White Space' - it's an academic paper which spells out a lot more eloquently than I have done why people like Amy know what they are doing and why I am scared as a black woman to be in majority white spaces / white women.

sociology.yale.edu/sites/default/files/pages_from_sre-11_rev5_printer_files.pdf

Karens still trying to justify the cunt?

@barshinskaya good point - and actually a brief advance search of @NotTerfNorCis posting history on mumsnet shows that she was very supportive of footage being shared when it was taken at an event where protesters had showed up at a meeting of gender critical feminists. She was pleased to report that the video in question had been shared by Ian Dunt by with his 90k followers.

So it seems filming and sharing footage is fine and to be celebrated when it furthers an agenda notterfnorcis believes in, but is a form of threatening harassment and intimidation when it’s something a black man does to protect himself against a white woman trying to use police brutality to subdue him.

@NotTerfNorCis Also thinks idiots in trucks shooting black men is okay, so we shouldn’t be shocked @zscaler

I'll have a look at that @TildaKauskumholmVladmirsPoutine

Thank goodness for cameras, it can't be hidden as much nowadays.

Just because white men co-opted the term doesn't make it less valid. We've been calling you Susan, Becky, Karen for years. The behaviour displayed by them is a pathology - if you would rather moan about how offensive the term is than the actual behaviour of those sort of women then I'm glad you have such privilege. I wish I had the same.

According to Wiki, the origin of the Karen meme is:

The origins of Karen as an Internet meme date back to an anonymous Reddit user, FuckYouKaren, who posted rants denigrating his ex-wife Karen, whom he alleged had "taken" both his children and, later, his house during divorce proceedings.

The Karen meme is sexist because it targets women, when men are just as likely , or more likely, to be racist. Why isn't there a term for men?

What on earth?!
I meant @VladmirsPoutine

Good sleuthing @TildaKauskumholmzscaler

Omg, what is happening to the @ thing? And who the hell is Tilda whatserface

Why isn't there a term for men?

Believe me we know white men and indeed men from other ethnicities are racist too. It was after all a Hispanic cop that pulled over and was responsible for the death of Sandra Bland. Believe us - we know anti-blackness is a global phenomenon. All we've done is coined a term for a specific sort of white woman that weaponises both her whiteness and femininity to jeopardise a black person. They (WW) are actually the worst because they are more likely to be teachers/social workers/nurses/HR-managers. As I said - I fear white women the most and that's saying a lot given everyone hates us.

@AKissAndASmile I actually give up. I think it was really cool a lot of people were willing to listen but at what cost to me, my well-being. There's definitely been a lot of reflection by white women on this thread as they have said they've learned a lot. But why did that have to be at the expense of me and other minorities explaining and having ourselves / experiences doubted/erased. It's bloody exhausting and it won't get phased out because in every new generation there's a more than a handful of creative racists. So that's why I basically give up on WW and try to spend most of my energy/resources on building the resilience of black and minority women and men as god only knows they'll need it.

@tootesuite I've seen versions for men. Kyle and Chad are common ones.

The Karen meme is sexist because it targets women

It targets white women. No one has ever called a privileged black woman a Karen - they've instead called her 'uppity'. You see - there you go again doing your white womanising assuming that because Karen is sexist that black women don't exist. That is the most Karen thing ever. Honestly white feminism is the worst thing that befell the world since the plague.

Yes, it's bloody exhausting. Thanks for your contributions to these threads. You write so articulately.

Yes, the weaponising is a fact, but the vast majority of racism crime is committed by white men and yet it's women bearing the brunt by facing misogynistic abuse. Because men aren't calling a specific sort of white woman a Karen, any woman they disagree with now is a Karen.

Then go yell at white men and tell them to leave our term alone. I'm not getting involved in white on white violence or anger by white women towards white men.

Karen specifically describes they type of woman who thinks she is above black women and indeed perhaps everything else. I won't stop using the term nor apologise for white men co-opting it. By accusing me (a mixed WOMAN) of being sexist you are knowingly or otherwise letting a white man of the leash. Why don't you go confront white men. Or is it because it's easier to shoot down on black women?