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To hope this racist woman loses her job

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TildaKauskumholm · 26/05/2020 10:43

twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920?s=19. Was appalled to see this video on Twitter - a guy in Central park, NYC, who was birdwatching, politely asked a woman to put her dog on the lead as per the regulation in that part of the park. He started filming it as she got abusive and called the cops, to say that she (white) and her dog were being threatened by an African-American man and could they send the police (as we know this can often result in a shooting).All the while she was holding her dog up by dangling it from its collar, half strangling it. The man left and his sister put the video on Twitter, resulting in the racist dog strangler being identified very quickly... she has a high powered job with an insurance company. The animal shelter took back the dog, and her company says she is on 'administrative leave' hopefully meaning she will get fired. I was really shocked and dismayed that such open racism is still going on, even though she was being filmed! Surely she must lose her job at least, what company would want to be linked to something like this?

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zscaler · 27/05/2020 10:56

Who’s going to hire a racist like that?

Believe me, this will not hold her back. There will be plenty of people in America who think she was perfectly entitled to act the way she did - or, at the very least, that she has now ‘learned her lesson’ and won’t be racist again.

MrsOfBebbanburg · 27/05/2020 11:07

Anyone who thinks she’ll struggle to find work is sadly very naive. She’s probably had job offers already from people who think she was damn right to put that man back in “his place”. It won’t be publicised of course but it’s happened I’m sure.

CardsforKittens · 27/05/2020 11:08

Being black or brown - you need to prove that you are civilised.

Yes, indeed. I was just reading a good piece on race and white spaces.

And also, white supremacy is heavily invested in keeping white women in fear of black men’s supposed lack of civilisation. I think she heard his words as a threat when he said, “If you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.” However, her response was wrong in every way, and sacking her was totally justified.

boredtotears11 · 27/05/2020 11:38

I wonder if her work colleagues were shocked at how racist and nasty she is. Maybe she’s always kept her vile racism to herself. Just shows how people will show their true colours in certain situations. She was obviously outraged that a black man had the effrontery to ask her to put her dog on a lead. I’ve no sympathy that she lost her job, she could have had that man killed.

VladmirsPoutine · 27/05/2020 12:06

She's also apparently been banned from the park but saw that on Twitter so not sure of its veracity. If I were a New Yorker I might go spot check patrols to ensure she's not breaking her ban.
Turns out he's a gay 'pillar of the community' type - not that this should matter but just the way he's being discussed as in he's very clearly a 'good black'.

UmmH · 27/05/2020 12:10

@dreamingbohemian

... but the entire process is much more difficult -- and also, I would think, much more traumatic. You are investigating one of the worst atrocities to ever occur in human history, knowing that your ancestors suffered from it. That's very different from looking into records of immigrants who came freely.

Absolutely. And thus the process is more meaningful and cathartic.

Ilovechinese · 27/05/2020 12:13

So many people here trying to defend the woman.
How sad. How would you feel if that man was your brother or uncle or friend?

MissBarbary · 27/05/2020 12:54

LipsyGirl

@annamieI think she was referring to my post. But thank you

Eh ? Goodness knows where you got that from. My post was clearly referring to the ridiculous post made against MorrisZapp by VladimirsPoutain.

VladmirsPoutine · 27/05/2020 13:12

You mean this comment @MissBarbary

"Yes Morris there is some spectacular sexism, hypocrisy and even racism on this thread, although the perpetrators are so high on their own virtue signalling they won't see it."

In which you apply that it is indeed I who is a sexist, racist hypocrite? We are officially through the looking glass; though I was somewhat bemused by it. One thing your comment does highlight is just how mentally/emotionally draining it can be for POC to try and explain themselves/experiences to white people who not only have zero intention of listening to us but who will outright be hostile to our experiences, throw it back on us and maybe even strengthen their resolve to make life even more difficult for black people wherever they can.

I think perhaps the key is to build resilience and coping mechanisms particularly young black men and women because they are going to face people can't bear them. Sad really but it's just the reality of society.

UmmH · 27/05/2020 13:27

Yes, @VladimirsPoutine. Focusing on addressing these issues before they become entrenched is absolutely essential, for white as well as black kids. Trying to get through to adults who refuse to hear is a waste of energy.

UmmH · 27/05/2020 13:29

Because the majority of those in future government will be white, so if they had a better understanding of certain issues, then some progress could be made.

LipsyGirl · 27/05/2020 13:29

@MissBarbary I realised that, a page or two ago I apologised for the error

IhateBoswell · 27/05/2020 13:32

"Hello, police? There's a black man harassing/following me"

If you can't see how that sentence is racist

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 27/05/2020 13:40

It's not just that - she said " I'm going to call the police and tell them there's an African American man threatening me"
Why, right there would you say that, what has his race got to do with anything at all if not to threaten and exert power?
It's chilling

WaxOnFeckOff · 27/05/2020 13:48

Why, right there would you say that, what has his race got to do with anything at all if not to threaten and exert power?

Exactly and as I said earlier, the only point at which the ethnicity or colour of the man becomes relevant is if and when someone is asked to describe them as there has been a crime and they need to identify the correct person.

DidoLamenting · 27/05/2020 14:13

VladmirsPoutine you chose to use utterly vile language to justify your use of "Karen" and to discredit MorrisZapp

The Karen meme is disgusting.

DidoLamenting · 27/05/2020 14:16

I'm going to call the police and tell them there's an African American man threatening me"
Why, right there would you say that

Well you wouldn't- you would say something like stop threatening/ photographing me or I'll call the police

His appearance would only be an issue at the point she is asked to describe him.

JacobReesMogadishu · 27/05/2020 14:21

I’ve been thinking about this more today. Firstly can I say I do think she’s racist and said so way back on this thread.

But from a legal point of view I wonder if her employer might be on a sticky wicket for firing her. I do think she’s racist but thinking that and proving that are two different things.

She will claim she was being descriptive trying to help the police. Because he said that sentence about how he was going to do something she didn’t like she will be able to latch onto that and say she didn’t know what he was going to do/felt scared. It’s a shame the whole encounter isn’t recorded because she will also be able to say he shouted at her, etc.

Possibly if her company had just fired her for bringing the company into disrepute, etc maybe they’d have been ok. But in the twitter statement they said her behaviour was racist. I suspect she will lawyer up and get a massive settlement?

NotDavidTennant · 27/05/2020 14:35

Perhaps under UK law. Under New York law you can be fired for almost any reason.

If she has any sense she will skulk away into the shadows rather than draw further attention to herself by launching a legal case.

MitziK · 27/05/2020 14:36

I think NY is an Employment At Will state? That means that an employee can be fired for any reason or none with no recourse to law.

I do believe she could have been initially scared - I think one of the first things she's says when he said she could take her dog off lead outside the Ramble was 'IT'S NOT SAFE!' - but whether this was because of anxiety about other people especially black ones , viruses, things that might hurt the extremely accident prone dog or because she's a bloody narcissistic arsehole who responds to any questioning of her authority with utter, quivering rage, her anger had her immediately think 'destroy' and, most of all, that she could use her fake little voice and a quick twist of the dog's collar with the advantages of a profoundly racist and violent society to achieve that destruction. So she worked out pretty fucking sharpish that he wasn't actually any threat to her and she had the power over his life.

Other states - he'd have been shot by the accuser.

Had he not had his mobile and had just walked off - Instagram post in the third person about how Mummy was threatened by the Bad Man and now the dog is having its stomach flushed thirty times to deal with the attempted poisoning, having tried to protect her.

Bottom line is she used racism to try and get him removed - from the face of the planet.

dogconflict · 27/05/2020 14:38

Quite frankly, anything he did regarding dog treats etc is completely by the by.

He didn't force her to be racist

He didn't approach her

He didn't ask her to approach him

He didn't make her press 911

He didn't force her to strangle her dog

If she had listened, leashed her dog, the event wouldn't have happened.
She didn't like being told what to do by a black man.

This woman is going to lose everything and I will sit back and enjoy her pain. Thank you Karma. Thank GOD he filmed it!!

Anyone with issues on filming, don't ever leave your house as it is entirely legal for me to film every part of my life. Vlog anyone?

JacobReesMogadishu · 27/05/2020 14:47

Ah, I didn’t realise that about NY employment law. Fair enough then.

NotTerfNorCis · 27/05/2020 14:48

He did approach her. How do you think they got talking. Giving food to a stranger's dog is not 'by the by'. She was obviously desperate to get away from him, she kept saying please, sir, leave me alone. Instead of that he carried on filming her. He's done this kind of thing regularly, that's why he carries dog treats. He's not afraid of any consequences, he feels entitled to do it. When she was desperate enough to threaten to call the police he said something like 'please do' and carried on filming.

This whole thing is fucked up.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 27/05/2020 14:50

Jesus.
Some people will go to any lengths to paint her as a victim, won't they?
It makes me sick.

WaxOnFeckOff · 27/05/2020 14:50

But from a legal point of view I wonder if her employer might be on a sticky wicket for firing her. I do think she’s racist but thinking that and proving that are two different things.

This is the US, different employment law applies. (Going by the movies it seems you can be sacked for anything at anytime but sure it's maybe a little more protected than that :o)

In the UK i'm not really sure what would happen, I can't imagine they would be happy if the name of the company was out there and associated with racist behaviour regardless of her not being at work at the time.

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