More bashing of mumsnet

[Ikeasucks]

Why are orgs and businesses just capitulating to this bullying? mobile.twitter.com/MForstater/status/1265201870437519360

You just need to look at the thread on here about Sam Smith, full of bile and unkindness for someone who simply wants to be known as 'they'.

If we moved to a mumsnet where all posts were held in a queue to be moderated, A) the site would not be free of charge. B) the flow of it would be just awful so the site would collapse anyway.

^So far today a few posters say "I've seen lots of transphobia on here but I can't be bothered to find evidence (sic)."

That just says to me that you cannot provide any evidence or that there is none. If you are going to argue that something is happening then you need to show proof.^

If I see something transphobic, people don't let it sit there, they report it and it's generally deleted. Individual posts and whole threads. Happens all the time, you know it, I know it, everyone on this thread knows it.

The problem isn't principally an institutional one at MN towers. It's the fact that the site has become a meeting ground for the gender-critical, and unfortunately, some of those are extremists and transphobes.

The dislike for Sam is not just because of the wish to be known as they.

Awright This thread is about the wish to be called 'they'.

Even if it were, the wish to be known as "they" is ridiculous and invites mockery.

Your ok with mumsnet being targeted for leaving transphobic posts still standing despite there being none, but Twitter can have videos of men fucking dogs and paedos in plain sight and that's aok

That is just such nonsense.
Why does it have to be either or?!
It is perfectly OK to have a problem with BOTH scenarios, who in their right mind would think what you said about Twitter is OK?
Of course it bloomin' isn't, that's sick and twisted and shouldn't be allowed!

Examples of transphobia, for clarity and screen shots

"I don't think that transwomen, especially self identified transwomen, should be automatically entitled to use resources allocated to females"

" I don't thing transwomen should automatically be allocated to a female prison / hospital ward / open plan changing room"

" I'd like to understand if it's fair for transwomen to compete as a female in sport"

The problem is that most people here don't recognise transphobia , because they see the misogyny of negation.

So , negating my third transphobic statement gives "transwomen should be allowed to compete in female sport" , which to many women is misogynistic.

And don't blame me, I am just explaining what the accusations of transphobia actually boil down to.what they specifically are.

I still think too many posters on MN tip over way too easily into transphobic attitudes and language

In your opinion. Which is not the legal arbiter of the ever-morphing, changes-with-the-wind concept of "transphobic".

This list gives you a hint as to why the "transphobic" claim is so meaningless and applied to anything and everything. Even trans people.

wingsoverscotland.com/everything-is-transphobic/

Thedancingbear

I don't believe TWAW and have concerns about what that entails, and the behaviour of some parts of the trans lobby.

Then you are a transphobe.

Even if it were, the wish to be known as "they" is ridiculous and invites mockery = Transphobia.

Would you say the same of a woman. Wanting to be known as Ms?

So you can not provide evidence because anything remotely transphobic is dealt with swiftly?

So that says to me that that the moderation policy is pretty robust. Doesn't make Mumsnet a hotbed of transphobia. Disagreement isn't transphobia, believing sex not gender is not transphobia, not referring to someone by their preferred pronouns is not transphobia they may not like it but you can not force someone to do something they don't wish to, not wanted to share spaces with people with penises, guess what? Is not transphobia. Discussing AGP is not transphobia, discussing women's rights is not transphobia. Discussing safeguarding of children is not transphobia, discussing women's sports is still not transphobic, discussing female healthcare is not transphobic. It's reality.

Go to Reddit, Twitter, Kiwi Farms - see real transphobia.

Pineapple I've just given you two examples, one from this thread.

Go to Reddit, Twitter, Kiwi Farms - see real transphobia

It's OK on here 'cos look at least we're not as bad as them over there

Is Sam Smith trans?

The Sam Smith thread? It may not have been nice to Sam but it wasn't transphobic.

I've just given you two examples, one from this thread

I'd save your breath - it just won't be seen or acknowledged.
Know from experience.

Because you cannot provide the evidence to back up your claims

Yes, refusing to agree to forced speech is also transphobic, no matter why you might not wish to use the preferred terminology. Refusing to call a Male who thumped you is transphobic.

Again the negation thing works. Insisting a woman calls a male who physically assaulted her "she" is misogynistic, but transphobia trumps misogyny

Wonder why that might be?

Sam Smith wanting to be known as 'they' is another example of expecting people to bend reality in order to appease one person's feelings. So no, it's not transphobic to think it's ridiculous. There is, mercifully, only one Sam Smith, so Sam Smith is not a they.

The bile and hatred for Sam Smith isn't to do with Sam's gender identity, whatever the hell that is today. It's to do with Sam's constant attention seeking narcissistic persona.

It's not lemon, but that's your opinion not mine. Women are discussing our rights and being pro women.
Kiwi farms doesn't get any of the abuse that Mumsnet get. Why is that? Why do you think MN targeted and attempts are made to shut it down so much?

And that pineapple is part of the problem. That thread was started by a poster being unkind about Sam because they want to use the pronoun 'they', and during the thread people piled on because they don't like Sam Smith for whatever reason. But the thread originated because Sam Smith is gender fluid and wants to be known as such.

A poster on this thread said they gender fluidity was "inviting mockery". But you and whoever else is adamant that MN is not transphobic will tell me that this isn't transphobia and then ask for examples, which will be provided and then deemed not transphobic by the likes of you. It's a vicious circle that most of can't be arsed to join in.

Witchcraftandhokum has this bang on.

If you think you can defuse any allegation of transphobia by shouting 'that's not transphobic' then there's no discussion to be had.

I've seen racists and sexists do the same thing.

No-one's going to change anyone's mind here, and people will just have to form their own opinions. But I recognise what I've read and seen.

Kiwi farms doesn't get any of the abuse that Mumsnet get. Why is that? Why do you think MN targeted and attempts are made to shut it down so much?

I think - Mumsnet is a huge parenting website, full of mums.
Nothing to do with "shut the mummies up, can't they talk about prams etc?"
It's more insiduous and complicated than that.
Said "mums with prams or whatever - stumbles across some of the more vile threads, gets prolific posters scaremongering - some not all! - masking some vile shit as "trans people are out to erase women" and make out like it's a war we should all stand up against -
It's a huge toxic dangerous mess.
That's my take on it anyway.