More bashing of mumsnet

[Ikeasucks]

Why are orgs and businesses just capitulating to this bullying? mobile.twitter.com/MForstater/status/1265201870437519360

Yet again we have so much wilful misunderstanding in the guise of virtue signalling. Why do people do this? Do they think their target market of "message approvers" won't throw them to the dogs anyway?

They'll come for you just as hard and fast as anyone the minute you are not longer useful to them, believe me.

Same campervan

This thread is about the very opposite of keeping women barefoot and pregnant, it’s about keeping women in work, and how angry everyone is that those who purport to support that have abandoned such an idea.

It's a case of throwing shit to see what sticks. The "right wing" trope certainly seems to have taken.

@popehilarious

Rightio! So, going back to the OP, do we think GMB will answer any of Maya's questions?

Of course not. She's just a woman.

I've thought for a while that the unions are misogynistic. The GMB have proved the point.i

Right, bugger the GMB. I’m signing up for Premium because I’m sick of this bullshit.

Many of us would sign up. But unfortunately personal data/ identifying information are not secure on mumsnet. It isn't worth the risk.

Same. I will absolutely make a donation as soon as the facility to do it anonymously exists, and I'll throw in a tenner more than I originally would've done because of the GMB. But not before.

Again - be nice if those accusing others of transphobia actually gave us a proper definition of what transphobia now entails.

I imagine mumsnet is not only transphobic but also facist going by this new definition and the accusations of transphobia being lobbed around

The definition of transphobia is being female in the face of those who aren't I think.

Aye.

I cannot see why it is imperative that women have to be all-accepting when no-one wants to accept women.

Yes. And the redefinition of words to render them meaningless. It's a way to control people. If we change the meaning of woman" to include both males and females then there is no meaning to the word anymore and no way to protect women in legislation. It's insidious.

It's like changing the meaning of the word "fat" to include both fat people and those suffering from anorexia who think they are fat.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3921532-Resisting-TERF-s-and-Transforming-Their-Organizations

Relevant thread.

It's like changing the meaning of the word "fat" to include both fat people and those suffering from anorexia who think they are fat.

Yes, exactly.

And I think that’s the way to take it back to GMB, highlight to those in charge that it’s highly likely they also hold apparent transphobic views without realising it. For example:

Do you know that if you think it’s unfair that this 40 year old middle aged male offspring of a New Zealand millionaire won a weightlifting competition against an 18 year old Samoan woman then you’re transphobic? [Show who Laurel Hubbard is]

Do you know that if you think it’s unfair that these two teenager sprinters are racing against girls and winning then you’re transphobic? [show who Andraya Yearwood and Terri Miller are]

Do you know if you agree with the scientific fact that there are only two sexes then you’re transphobic?

And so on, and so on....

@Pepperwort

The definition of transphobia is being female in the face of those who aren't I think.

Absolutely.

Oh, and daring to talk about biologically female things: menstrutaion, childbearing, menopause ...

All transphobic. Apparently.

Of course sensible transwomen don't say this. It's young rebellious TRAs who want to hit out at their mothers ...

it’s referring to all trans people as having a mental illness or a fetish that I’m objecting to.

1. Gender dysphoria is a mental health condition.
2. Please do tell this chronic depressive exactly what is so wrong about being described as having a mental illness?

there was a thread created yesterday purely to bash and express disgust that it has been reported that France elected its first trans mayor.

Were the posters objecting to the mayor being trans or the mayor being reported as "female" in some news outlets? If the former, that's awful and I hope the thread was pulled. If the latter, I can understand their frustration with factually-inaccurate reporting.

Some people don’t even want a discussion or mention of the word. That is how we find ourselves where we are today.

Gender dysphoria is a mental health condition.

I'd agree. And since TRAs argue that it's not, then the logical conclusion would be that they believe it's a choice. And why should women give up their rights to accommodate someone else's choice?

@isabellerossignol

Gender dysphoria is a mental health condition.

I'd agree. And since TRAs argue that it's not, then the logical conclusion would be that they believe it's a choice. And why should women give up their rights to accommodate someone else's choice?

WHO and NHS disagree with you:

"A World Health Organization expert said it now understands transgender is "not actually a mental health condition". www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48448804

"This mismatch between sex and gender identity can lead to distressing and uncomfortable feelings that are called gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It's not a mental illness."
www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

Which authority on this matter did you work for again?

Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It's not a mental illness

I don’t think this makes sense

Which authority on this matter did you work for again?

I've never made any claims of that sort. You must be mixing me up with another poster.

Gender dysphoria is a mental health condition.

I'd agree. And since TRAs argue that it's not, then the logical conclusion would be that they believe it's a choice...

This is a logical fallacy. That something is not a mental health condition does not mean it is a choice.

So if it's not mental, is it physical?

What exactly is physically actually wrong ?

Like, a fever...physical , blindness...physical, pain gets harder until the inflammation or damage can be seen ...

If it's not mental and it's not physical then what is it?