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Ikeasucks · 26/05/2020 10:31

Why are orgs and businesses just capitulating to this bullying? mobile.twitter.com/MForstater/status/1265201870437519360

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Witchcraftandhokum · 26/05/2020 20:02

OK Ereshkigalangcleg you have decided that it cannot be so. Just as you decide what is transphobia and what isn't. We're back in that vicious circle I can't be arsed to participate in.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 20:07

Don't you decide what is transphobia and what isn't, then? I say that maintaining my belief that women are necessarily female isn't. And that some female only spaces are necessary to protect women's privacy and dignity and safeguard us where possible from sexual assault and harassment. What do you say?

MorganKitten · 26/05/2020 20:08

If they are anti-trans then report them

I reported comments and was told they weren’t transphobic but a normal discussion... but when I called out the transphobic comments on the topic I was reported and comments removed for breaking the rules... I supported a trans friend and said why...

Pertella · 26/05/2020 20:12

witchcraft

Is the statement " I dont believe transwomen are women" transphobic?

midgebabe · 26/05/2020 20:13

Well if anyone can simultaneously hold the belief that women are entitled in some cases to single sex spaces And at the same time say that transwomen should be considered women in those circumstances you have a more flexible brain than mine is

Unless you have some none biological definition of sex ?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 20:14

Let's see screenshots, or the text, Morgan. It's meaningless without any context, isn't it? Because hypothetically you could have attacked someone and called them abusive names in your righteous "call out" for all anyone knows. And rightly have been deleted, however self righteous you personally felt about it.

No idea if that's the case, but I have no way of knowing, especially given how much bad faith posting there is on FWR. No way to judge if I don't know why they deleted your posts and not the person you were "calling out". But they do get it wrong sometimes, it's not always an easy call to make.

borntohula · 26/05/2020 20:18

@popehilarious if I upset somebody with what is essentially a typing error while I'm knackered, I'd apologise and if they were still upset, well, I'm only human Smile

Pertella · 26/05/2020 20:24

borntohula

Firstly, you should thank that poster for pointing out your mistake and secondly you should spend some time asking yourself how you can work to make sure you don’t do it again.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 20:25

^So is it free speech then or not.
Your ok with mumsnet being targeted for leaving transphobic posts still standing despite there being none, but Twitter can have videos of men fucking dogs and paedos in plain sight and that's aok^

Appears to be the case! How brave and not at all misogynistic it is for Mumsnet to be the only site targeted because a shouty group of male people of multiple gender identities don't agree with what feminists on the board have to say about women's rights. Despite not posting any paedo content or bestiality.

suggestionsplease1 · 26/05/2020 20:50

@borntohula - just ignore these posters; you made an unintentional mistake, like most of us have done on these boards, and now some posters want to hound you for it.

I have seen nothing but well-intentioned posts from you on this thread- this is on them, not on you, and the vast majority of other posters will see that for what it is.

borntohula · 26/05/2020 21:01

Suggestions, thank you Smile

Ova, thank you for pointing out my mistake

Pertella, I'll send everything I type out to you in future so you can proof read it. I generally have a lot going on in one way or another so I make a lot of errors, I'd be very grateful for your help. Hmm

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 26/05/2020 21:13

suggestionsplease1 I suggest that what’s to be done is that everyone stops lying and starts telling the truth.

Biologically male people can’t be biologically female people.

Those people you call TW are not women by any recognised and understood definition of the word.

Making out there’s something bigoted and transphobic about recognising that, as the poster I was replying to was doing, is indeed akin to the witch-hunting of the Inquisition and the thought police tactics of the Stasi.

Indeed, English judge Justice Knowles drew an analogy between the actions of transactivists intent on policing the words and thoughts of British citizens and the Gestapo and Stasi, when he performed his judicial review in the Fair Cop case.

Saying that TWAW is actually the extreme position; not only saying it but framing it as the default position when it really, really isn’t, and suggesting it’s “transphobic“ to diverge from this cult-like belief - it’s absurd dogma on a par with flat-earthers and creationists demanding that everyone accept their beliefs. Only no one takes them seriously and teaches their beliefs as fact in mainstream schools, or changes the law to reflect their scientifically baseless hokum.

As an apparent proselyte of this modern religion, you are very far from being the reasonable person you wish to present yourself as.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 26/05/2020 21:15

Do biologically female people have the right to boundaries and autonomy in their lives or not?

Answers on a postcard, please!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 21:23

Or do we have to await the response to this question from a self-appointed group of male people who don't post here, I wonder?

suggestionsplease1 · 26/05/2020 21:24

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark and @Ereshkigalangcleg you are both very keen on straw man arguments aren't you?! Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 21:27

Saying that TWAW is actually the extreme position; not only saying it but framing it as the default position when it really, really isn’t, and suggesting it’s “transphobic“ to diverge from this cult-like belief

It doesn't even make any sense. Literally any male in the world can claim they are a woman, just by saying so, and we have to fall over ourselves to accept it? There is no gate keeping allowed. Gate keeping is transphobic. We really are supposed to think that they say it, therefore it is so? It's bizarre.

OvaHere · 26/05/2020 21:30

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Saying that TWAW is actually the extreme position; not only saying it but framing it as the default position when it really, really isn’t, and suggesting it’s “transphobic“ to diverge from this cult-like belief

It doesn't even make any sense. Literally any male in the world can claim they are a woman, just by saying so, and we have to fall over ourselves to accept it? There is no gate keeping allowed. Gate keeping is transphobic. We really are supposed to think that they say it, therefore it is so? It's bizarre.

Yes exactly Eresh

It's completely post-reality and nothing more than an article of faith.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 21:30

you are both very keen on straw man arguments aren't you?!

Where was the straw man in what TalkingtoLang said, exactly?

suggestionsplease1 · 26/05/2020 21:38

@Ereshkigalangcleg -TalkingtoLangClegintheDark's post to me 21.13.16 consisted, again, of surmising positions that I have not purported to hold ... just 1 eg Those people you call TW are not women by any recognised and understood definition of the word. I haven't called anyone a TW

I get it - you are not getting the material you hope for from others with your posts, and it's disappointing to not generate that from posters to argue against, so you have to concoct it yourselves and 'win' your own arguments. It's pretty sad but there you go.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 21:40

It's completely post-reality and nothing more than an article of faith.

I doubt most of the people who say they believe it truly do believe it, in their heart of hearts, because it's completely ridiculous to imagine that biological sex doesn't matter at all, or that there are gendered souls which handily conform to some of the most regressive and misogynistic stereotypes about women. It's a meme. A mantra. A virtue signal. Something you don't have to engage with particularly deeply. Trans women are women. Repeat after us. Trans women are women.

Dances · 26/05/2020 21:40

I wonder what happened to all those MRAs tryingbto take down Mumsnet...

Did they just decide to retire or did they see another attack tactic?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 21:47

I haven't called anyone a TW

What you are doing, is quite disingenuous, and I'm not going to engage with it further.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 26/05/2020 21:51

So do tell us what you really think, suggestions.

TWAW? Or not?

Simple question, simple answer.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 26/05/2020 21:54

thedancingbear never did come back for that “legitimate discussion” Sad

  • but there’s still time! Smile
Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 21:54

Oh, I was so looking forward to it!