More bashing of mumsnet

[Ikeasucks]

Why are orgs and businesses just capitulating to this bullying? mobile.twitter.com/MForstater/status/1265201870437519360

Coincidentally at this time, women are taking the brunt of austerity and of Covid, due to childcare. Complete coincidence that at this time men pop up demanding that women budge up and "be kind" to men more, even to the extent of smiling about sexual assault and rape and saying "poor little rapists, we mustn't shame their sexual behaviour in any way". Total and complete coincidence. Of course.

Mumsnet needs to remember who it is here for. Mums. Women with children.

I don't even know what TWAW stands for - a google search returned something about women shooting, and then a 3rd result which was actually a mumsnet thread on TWAW which I scrolled through a bit and as far as I can see didn't explain what the acronym means either! So no, it is not simple to me I am afraid! Or the rest of these acronyms going around - MRA above?, maybe someone should create a lexicon? I am done for the night anyway, it's tiring to read the baiting.

Oh very nice sidestep, suggestions! Not! 🤣

As you well know, it stands for “Trans Women Are Women”.

I wonder why you’re being so coy about saying explicitly what side of this debate you’re actually on? 🤔

@Pepperwort

Coincidentally at this time, women are taking the brunt of austerity and of Covid, due to childcare. Complete coincidence that at this time men pop up demanding that women budge up and "be kind" to men more, even to the extent of smiling about sexual assault and rape and saying "poor little rapists, we mustn't shame their sexual behaviour in any way". Total and complete coincidence. Of course.

Mumsnet needs to remember who it is here for. Mums. Women with children.

Hear, hear.

I wonder why you’re being so coy about saying explicitly what side of this debate you’re actually on?

It's certainly a puzzle.

it's tiring to read the baiting.

Thank you! Will take that to the fish puns thread.

That was no sidestep, I did not know what TWAW stood for before this thread. Thank you for telling me. I have been involved in these debates for years, mostly on now defunct lesbian forums. These terms were not used. I'm afraid you won't pin me to a side of the debate.

In this context it doesn’t matter if you think Mumsnet is transphobic (it isn’t) or whether you think subsections of Mumsnet are transphobic (they aren’t), what matters is whether you think a union that purports to be for mums should withdraw its support, after women went to the effort of posting about their difficult employment situations, because trans activists on Twitter have asserted that Mumsnet is transphobic without evidence and achieved their aim.

Women who are struggling with employment now lose out because a union that is supposed to be supportive of them can’t put aside (false) claims of transphobia to help them.

Even if it were true, don’t you think the needs of those women should override that?

Yawn.

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

Yawn.

Soz, that was in reply to the post above yours NotBad

@NotBadConsidering

In this context it doesn’t matter if you think Mumsnet is transphobic (it isn’t) or whether you think subsections of Mumsnet are transphobic (they aren’t), what matters is whether you think a union that purports to be for mums should withdraw its support, after women went to the effort of posting about their difficult employment situations, because trans activists on Twitter have asserted that Mumsnet is transphobic without evidence and achieved their aim.

Women who are struggling with employment now lose out because a union that is supposed to be supportive of them can’t put aside (false) claims of transphobia to help them.

Even if it were true, don’t you think the needs of those women should override that?

Yes indeed.

Unless of course you think that women (female people) aren’t as fully human as male people, and shouldn’t have their needs/wishes/feelings prioritised in the way that those of male people are.

It makes you wonder.

I'm glad I picked unison

If they had any guts they would have said something like:

“We understand that MN is a website of over 10 million unique users. We understand some people have concerns about transphobia from some of those users, but we believe the workers’ rights of many of the other users are vital at this time of Covid, and as such we will continue to support those mums while looking into the false accusations of transphobia. We appreciate the concerns raised by MR activists on Twitter, but those concerns shouldn’t mean we abandon mothers looking for help with employment at this time.”

@suggestionsplease1

I don't even know what TWAW stands for - a google search returned something about women shooting, and then a 3rd result which was actually a mumsnet thread on TWAW which I scrolled through a bit and as far as I can see didn't explain what the acronym means either! So no, it is not simple to me I am afraid! Or the rest of these acronyms going around - MRA above?, maybe someone should create a lexicon? I am done for the night anyway, it's tiring to read the baiting.

Taking you on good faith suggestions I'm afraid you've stepped into a debate you are ill prepared for.

I don't mean that in a condescending way it's just the the Feminism board regulars on average have been discussing these legal and cultural changes for about 5 years now, some longer than that.

Can I suggest this thread as a starting point
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

From there maybe hang around the feminism board and do some reading of current and older topics to get a better grasp of what we're talking about.

I'm good thanks OvaHere. I'm more than capable of responding on a point-by-point basis. Why don't we leave the patronising to the patriarchy.

People who identify as trans already have all the same rights as anyone else of their sex.
What they want are my rights, and the rights of my daughters and the elderly women in my family to a female only space when necessary for privacy, dignity and safety, and no, I am not supporting this.

@suggestionsplease1

I'm good thanks OvaHere. I'm more than capable of responding on a point-by-point basis. Why don't we leave the patronising to the patriarchy.

That's up to you suggestions I was merely trying to bridge the gap and offer something of an olive branch because not understanding the very common acronyms used by activists on both sides of the debate is suggestive of being very new to all this.

And if you are not new to this then you're being very disingenuous.

How exactly is this supposed to mean anything? Something is transphobic if you just say it is?

@OvaHere If you read my posts I have been clear I have been involved in these debates for many, many years. I will get up to speed on the present acronyms used on mumsnet on an as-needed basis.

As if they are just used on Mumsnet!

suggestionsplease1

If you were to conclude that Mumsnet is transphobic, or has elements of transphobia, so you think that means the GMB should withdraw its support for working mothers as a result?

Sorry, hula I forgot to post the link.

My post was a quote of what a trans person says you should do when you misgender someone, albeit unintentionally. Just an error isnt good enough apparently.

So it's the trans community you need to run your posts by.

But I'm sure you see how easy it is to be a transphobe now

medium.com/awaken-blog/pronouns-101-why-they-matter-and-what-to-do-and-not-do-if-you-misgender-someone-cfd747c762d1

[quote suggestionsplease1]@OvaHere If you read my posts I have been clear I have been involved in these debates for many, many years. I will get up to speed on the present acronyms used on mumsnet on an as-needed basis.[/quote]
They are not just used on Mumsnet. To the degree that the TWAW slogan was projected onto a London landmark in the recent past and being reported by most major press outlets.

I have no idea where you have been debating that is not familiar with any of this? (I'm not expecting an answer to that btw)

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I am happy to declare that I will never join you in your religious belief that some biologically male people are in fact biologically female people. Ever.

Second this. No. It's not an invitation to negotiate.

Agreed