To report neighbour who’s gone abroad for half term

[Natalielondon]

Hi all,
I’ve just found out my neighbour, husband & kids have gone to Europe for half term. They’ve driven & say they’ve gone to visit parents (they are originally from Italy). I’m totally furious. I’d love to see my elderly unwell parents, but like everyone (except Dominic Cummings), have followed the advice & stayed at home. Why should she be allowed back in when she’s gone for no good reason? Also, her kids will be back at school with my daughter from June 1st. I don’t feel comfortable with the fact they’ve all travelled on ferries & across Europe & then coming into school. It’s just not fair how these people do what they want with no repercussions. But is reporting her a step too far? Presumably she would know it was me & then never speak to me again!

Yes vague rule. 'Stay indoors. ...unless you have to go to work....or maybe not'
'Stay indoors ...unless you are high in government'.
'Stay indoors unless you are flying into the UK...which is fine '
Then during the vaguest and loosest lockdown on the world..we are told to 'stay alert'...then we ate told by this weak.corrupt and lying government that if we do get it then it is our own fault. And people like ffdgivemeausername are just regurgitating the lie.

@Tedgy 😂😂😂

It's just impossible to know what is really going on, however it may seem from the outside. Maybe someone in their family abroad is very sick, or has had some kind of health scare. Maybe they've worried it will be the last time they'll get to see someone they love, and it's now or never for them. Maybe they feel they'll be safer having some time outside of the UK? We can't know.

I'm sorry that you can't see your elderly parents, OP, and that the whole thing is making you (and everyone else) worry about the health and safety of their kids. I think that's the real problem here.

Op, I think you asked a reasonable question. I’m sorry that you got such a hard time from other PPs. I think there is a high degree of frustration and rule fatigue after the extreme hypocrisy from BJ and DC this weekend.
I think it’s fine and sensible to report people if you think they are breaching an important, fair law. That in no way compares to German people notifying the Nazi authorities about the location of a Jewish family so they could be persecuted and sent to cocentration camps.
as to who you report it to - the local police or local public health authority. It is their job to find out enough to know whether the law has been breached and to decide what, if anything, should be done about it.

FCO travel advice is still ‘essential overseas travel only’. But the reason they give is to avoid getting stuck by border closures. ( And then costing the uk money and resources to help get back).
Your neighbours won’t have to isolate if they return before 8 June (unless they have symptoms).
While your neighbours are overseas, they only have to follow the rules of that country/locality. Nothing our gov can do about that.

Since people in England can drive as far as they want and are increasingly doing as they please in terms of social distancing and meeting other people, it probably doesn’t make any difference whether your neighbour travels to Italy.

So if I were you, I wouldn’t bother reporting it. It’s probably not in breach, and in any event will probably make no real difference to anyone’s health.

Sounds to me like they’ve acted legally and with integrity.

Yeh but bpd is an entirely invented diagnosis.

They will have to isolate for two weeks on their return, So don't report them. Reporting people has been the main new hobby for people during the lock down.

Omg op I can't believe you are even remotely miffed at this. They might have has to go on holiday for their MENTAL HEALTH. #bekind #BEFUCKINGKIND Think of Caroline!!!!

Right. Think we got away with that. Do what the fuck we like. Fuck everyone else. Scream be kind at the end. Sorted.

I'm pretty sure the rules are vague so they know a certain amount will follow them. But also a lot won't. If they wanted more to be strict they would have enforced them more. The rule breakers are factored in, and the mugs are the followers really

Totally agree with you Destroyed. This nasty little undercurrent of net curtain twitchers is the thing that has most surprised me in these times. So peculiar. I thought we'd all learned a lesson from the events back in the 1930s and early 1940s. We are all horrified by the person who reported Ann Frank's family for example

This is an offensive and staggeringly inapt comparison. Precautions designed to save lives are the opposite of handing people over to genocidal killers. If the Ann Frank comparison tells us anything, it's how incredible it is that people asked to put up with so much less complain and fail to understand what was actually happening then or now.

There are interesting lessons from this episode about how people respond to emergencies, rules etc. Your point isn't one of them.

I'm not even sure what your rules are in the UK at the moment. I've been trying to keep up to date because I have family in the UK, but the only thing I have gleaned with any certainty is that your rules are very confusing.

Obviously the reason for the 'rules' was quite different. All I meant was that it is staggering how quickly we can be turned against each other.
It's not about 'complaining'

There’s actually no guidelines against this right? Travel as far as you want, no ban on overseas travel. They may have to quarantine on re-entry though for 14 days.

People being in a heightened state of anxiety and scared that people will jeopardise the health and safety of others (whether or not that's a rational response) is NOT the same as reporting people helping Jews. Was a whole other thread on this with many Jewish posters asking for that comparison to stop.

I've not reported anyone but I certainly don't think anyone who has been tempted to is like a fucking natzi ffs. Vile comparison.

And in fact the response from @Inkpaperstars has merely reinforced my thoughts on this. Instead of even thinking about it they have dismissed my post by telling me I don't have anything to 'complain' about. I was not 'complaining though....

Ok I don't want to offend anyone. I just think the 'should I report my neighbours' brigade should give it a rest.

I never said you were complaining Destroyed

Don't mention the war. You've mentioned it once but I think you've got away with it.

I agree that in most cases reporting neighbours isn't helpful, or am I just saying that because I would never be able to face doing it and causing myself trouble. Luckily none of my neighbours have done anything reportable.

Get a life!

If they don't self isolate for 14 days in return then you report them it's £1000 fine.

If they don't self isolate for 14 days in return then you report them it's £1000 fine

Only after 8 June. If they come back on the 7th, they don’t have to.

They’ll have a Cummings defence

I would previously have posted that you should report breaches of quarantine and isolation

Because I am in the shield group and my only hope ever of being considered safe to go out even for daily exercise remains a distant dream. So I am remarkably dependent on other people behaving well.

It is clear that is no longer the governments priority as even those in household isolation with a symptomatic person can travel the length of the country.

So unless they are impinging on the safety of your property, why bother these days?

You can now drive as far as you want but not Scotland or wales so italy is fine

So it’s half term and the 14 day quarantine rule doesn’t begin until after half term. The government seems to have created a ‘window’ for people to go on holiday! Considering they are supposedly trying to reduce the R number this seems downright irresponsible (or was it deliberate so that various MP’s families had the chance of a holiday before quarantine kicked in?). Clearly some families have spotted this. The only preventative measures are other countries restrictions where they apply and are being enforced. Well strictly speaking they maybe they are not allowed to travel on holiday but if planes and eurostar are running then they must have passengers so perhaps the rules are not being strictly applied. It will be interesting to see if there are subsequent reports of people getting stopped at borders and sent back!

I am sure that overseas travel is risky and increases likelihood of catching CV. Spending time in queues and close proximity to lots of people, touching many surfaces that have been highly fingered already, visiting tourist attractions etc. I would be annoyed if I knew a family were doing that and going to be sending a child into school from 1 June afterwards.