Child left for 45 mins in own poo??

[ShallallalAa]

My dc aged 4 was left for 45 mins at school having pooed herself (I am a first response worker BTW and dp was 2 hours away)
She was left in the loo covered in her own poo. I left immediately and got there and left colleagues on the ward.
Should she have been changed or helped to clean herself up by a staff member?
She was extremely distressed by the time I got there.

@LolaSmiles there are thousands of early years workers up and down the country who regularly undress children and "go near genitals" on their own and the sky has yet to fall in

@Canadianpancake should nurseries do the same or is it only school staff that need protecting?

OK so nine children three members of staff and they still could not attend to this child. Some numpty dreamt up the policy for this school that is for sure. Not blaming teachers but the jobsworth who worded it.

Surely if I left my own child in their own poo for 45 mins it would be a safeguarding issue? Or a person who is incapacitated in a care home? How is this happening to children in our schools?

I'm sick to death of 'protecting their staff'.

Equip them with the training and PPE like any other caring profession and get on with it.

@ShallallalAa again why don't you talk to the school. Are you 100% sure your daughter didn't lock herself in and refuse to let a teacher in. It sure sounds that way from your updates?

@Hoppingpavolva

You are ignorant of the rules in the Uk. Your post is not clear which country you are from. The OP is from the UK. Therefore as you are not from the UK you have nothing valid to add to this post.

For those of you in the UK:

This document sets out the best practice:

www.eric.org.uk/Handlers/Download.ashx?IDMF=7cf8f9f4-6668-46de-a38c-4d74c2ce8925

And appendix 4 page 28 sets out the specific legislation that informs the document.

For all you ignorant teachers out the please read.

She wasn't locked in. She was crying by the sinks because she was covered in poo. She couldn't get it off herself.

She's only 4

@ShallallalAa why haven't you asked the school!!

@ShallallalAa what did the school say when they called you?
What did you say to them?

Sorry its made feel really upset posting about it I havent really known what to think

Wuthout knowing the wording of the hub policy and exactly what happened, both sides of the story I can't comment.
Safeguarding is a massive issue for schools, not all classes have an extra adult so many send children to get help. If you are the only adult in the class you cannot leave the class unattended as you are responsible for all the children. Most teachers won't do personal care for the reasons above, it will normally be a non teaching member of staff.

Just now schools with hubs are being run on the minimal staff possible to reduce infection risk. In my setting we have clear toileting guidelines drawn up, these protect children and adults , having been involved in situations of false accusations, (not me) it ruins careers so we need to be very careful. Also if 1 child is ever abused due to lax guidelines it is 1 too many.

I can't imagine a situation where a child would be left to sit for 45mins soiled, but as I say we have no info on the position of the school. I know I do full personal care for all my kids but we have very explicit permissions and gain consent from the kids every time (as much as is possible).
My own youngest at nursery from 3 would not be cleaned but would be verbally encouraged to clean herself, if she was unable or refused then emergancy contact would be called. I signed to day I was happy with this.

Just calm down, write down what you want to ask next week. Then go and chill.

Because they are so aggressively defensive provably as a result of how teachers are being 'bashed' at the moment

Our school intimate care policy is normally 2 staff members present otherwise call parents. Currently if a child soils themselves we call parents immediately. No intimate care at all unless they have an EHCP which states they need it due to social distancing

This sort of thing gives me the rage. I live in Wales where most children start school age 3 and in many schools the teachers refuse to do personal care. It's disgusting. If schools/ local authorities don't want to do personal care for small children then don't have small children in your schools. Have an later school starting age. It's that simple. It really is. Young children need personal care. if you can't meet that need, don't have them in your school.
I've been in a class of three year olds in Wales where a very young three year old had done a poo and the teaching assistant was refusing to clean him, telling the child it was not her job. So I did it. I wasn't going to leave him with faeces on him - to send him home with faeces on him. I have heard parents here talking about their children coming home with excrement on them, a full poo in their underwear,, another where her young three year old said she got poo on her hands after trying to clean herself after doing a poo, so wiped it on the wall, and presumably went on to spread faeces traces on the toys she played with amongst other children. There are basic issue here of hygiene as well as basic respect and decency towards young children. How can we call ourselves a civilised nation when formal policies mean this happens to our youngest members?

Sorry op posted too soon.
Speak tobthe school and ask why this happened, they should be aither able to direct you to parent advice which states no personal care and admit they did wrong. You don't need to go in guns blazing but you do need to find out so you be confident with the people taking care of your child. It's awful your child was upset and distressed, which makes it worse for you as well. Please do speak to the school management.

@ShallallalAa what did they say to you on the phone though?

@countrylanes I absolutely agree. That is shocking. Gives me the absolute rage.

They said I had to come immediately to clean her and that was it.

I can’t believe that a school would leave a child like this it’s disgusting. I used to work in a school office and the TA and I would clean and change the child.
It’s not the nicest job in the world but it’s a small child, how can anyone not help them?
I also regularly cleaned up piss and sick. I was particularly pleased when a child vomited just as an auditor was questioning me about the accounts . I think then they realised why things in primary schools aren’t always done perfectly.

@ShallallalAa did you say you couldn't be there immediately? Did they know you were 45 mins away.

From this it seems that this is their policy and you would've signed to say you were aware of it when she joined. It may be worth digging out the paperwork to check

Thanks all I really appreciate your views.
I am going to have an early night now but this incident has shaken my trust in the school and upset me. I'll try and work out what to do but complaining to the school is not an option.

Equip them with the training and PPE like any other caring profession and get on with it.

Except it's not. Its an educational setting.