Child left for 45 mins in own poo??

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My dc aged 4 was left for 45 mins at school having pooed herself (I am a first response worker BTW and dp was 2 hours away)
She was left in the loo covered in her own poo. I left immediately and got there and left colleagues on the ward.
Should she have been changed or helped to clean herself up by a staff member?
She was extremely distressed by the time I got there.

This is worrying. I hope you can get some answers from them and an apology. It is uncaring. With the young ones who may be a full year younger than others in the classroom, school can be a bit scary even in calm and mundane day to day situations, and they may be too shy or worried to ask to go to the toilet. It's not necessarily a matter of toilet training as previous posters have said. If the teacher has not explicitly said " remember to ask to go to the toilet if you need to go" then the compliant rule abiding ones may think they are not allowed to during lessons.

I wouldnt leave a dog sat in it's own shit.
When I was a primary TA, we had spare, new, packets of underwear and uniform (from unclaimed lost propety) for when accidents happened. Soiled clothing was double bagged and binned.
Often the parents would send in biscuits the next day as a Thank you.

Except it's not. Its an educational setting

That's an appalling, inhuman response. Children don't stop needing personal care because the adults have decided they need to be in school in their early years. If 'educational' settings don't to do personal care they shouldn't be taking in young children who will need personal care. Talk about the fucking tail wagging the dog.

Don't complain just ask, say you are unaware of their personal care policy and want to know what it states. Also you should have signed forms when your child started at the hub these should lay out terms and conditions as they are differentbfrom normal day to day school.

The issue that's being missed is we are in the middle of a sodding pandemic.

Can we stop saying it was the teacher we don't yet know who was responsible for persinal care. It may be the headteacher who was in should be responsible, it may be the school authority.

YANBU

When DD and DS were in reception ( 6 years apart) they kept spare underwear and wipes for exactly that eventually. They were both fully toilet trained but accident can happen and staff would help if necessary ( dd never, ds once)

The issue that's being missed is we are in the middle of a sodding pandemic

So perhaps you think they should have PPE after all then, huh?

It has been made clear to us at the school of DC also age 4 that given Corona guidelines the teachers cannot touch the children. They should not be sent in any clothes they can’t change themselves and any toilet accidents will result in the parents being called to resolve unless the child can do it alone. It’s different form nursery as distancing guidelines aren’t in place there. We were also advised that if DC can’t deal with basic things alone, they can’t go to school. Did you receive any such communication?

Tough one. Schools are running on skeletal staff at the moment. They would need two adults to change your child due to potential allegations etc. This would leave the ratio short for remaining children. Would they be aware that your child may need help? Was it their usual teacher?

I don't know abt teacher rules in UK...but from replies it does not seem to be the standard approacj. I'm in Ireland & my sister is a teacher of Junior Infant Class (entry level 4-5yr olds) & every September she stocks up on some new underpants & tracksuit bottoms & socks because accidents happen... & she replenishes the stock throughout the year altho the incidents lessen as year goes on. When my son was little, all kids brought spare set of clothes for whenever needed...getting caught in rain, playing in dirt & toilet accidents! Its accepted that little kids get caught up in activities & leave it too late or are over excited or shy until they find their bearings. It is v sad your little one left upset, uncomfortable & without help for any length of time, never mind for 45 mins. You should most definitely take this up with the school & seek an assurance that should it happen again, she will have immediate & compassionate assistance.

The issue that's being missed is we are in the middle of a sodding pandemic
That doesn't matter!
Schools should have an appropriate number of staff and appropriate policies for intimate care and safeguarding.

Whilst the pitchfork brigade seem to think any member of staff should abandon safeguarding and provide intimate care alone, the real issue is that schools need appropriate staffing and arrangements to deal with accidents with younger children.

But intimate care isnt appropriate in the middle of said sodding pandemic.

Guidance released has implied kids will be told to put plasters on their own cuts.

The school's policies will very clearly set out what they will and won't do in this situation, it's your fault if you've not read them and aren't happy with how this was handled. They will now also have an interim policy, as other pp have said school staff are not currently performing personal care. Deal with it.

• The issue that's being missed is we are in the middle of a sodding pandemic That doesn't matter!* It really does. A lot of schools have special policies re: intimate care that only apply because of the pandemic.

I'm more concerned with the number of posters who think adults should undress a child on their own and go near a child's genitals without appropriate safeguards for the child and the adult.

What about the thousands of childcare providers who care for children 1-1? Nannies, childminders, babysitters? They will all have a policy about being respectful, caring and respecting dignity but they still have to change the child on their own? What about small establishments where they really don't have enough staff? You think they don't have personal care policies? Of course they do, children under the age of 5 will always need some sort of personal care at some point.

I childmind one child only at the moment, can you imagine if I called the school where her (single) parent is a teacher and said "could you send X back to mine because child has done a poo/been sick/whatever, oh what's that? She's teaching? Hard luck, her child needs changing"

It's just ridiculous.

But intimate care isnt appropriate in the middle of said sodding pandemic.

Who do you think is caring for the carers children? Oh hang on, let me just call Mr Nurse or Mrs Doctor out of the covid ward to come and change their child. Oh they can't leave yet? never mind, we will just leave said child in dirty pants all day - dear god I think people have lost all sense during this lockdown.

But intimate care isnt appropriate in the middle of said sodding pandemic.

Oh that's ok then. We'll just leave the disabled and elderly in their own shit too then.

Oh that's ok then. We'll just leave the disabled and elderly in their own shit too then.

Not really the same, is it? Carers provide care. Teachers teach. This is an unprecedented situation and teachers are now sort of babysitting.

There are different rules for people providing intimate care for the elderly and nursery children than for school aged children. Is it that hard to understand there are different rules for different needs and settings?

Teachers teach, but if a 4 year old soils themselves (guaranteed there will be some in this age class that do this at some time) then there must be provision to help them get cleaned.

And there is. But not at the moment. Schools must protect their staff.

Yes teachers, teach. I'm well aware of that.

Small children have accidents though and many need help with cleaning up and getting changed.
Schools need to have policies that deal with that that don't involve leaving children covered in shit.

I bet your child wasn't as distressed as mine would be if his mum caught covid19 and died.

And the policies need to be in place whether there's a pandemic or not.