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How the hell do I get it through my Mother’s thick skull that she is DIABETIC?!?!?!

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AngeloMysterioso · 20/05/2020 20:26

My DM is over 70, and was diagnosed as Type 2 diabetic 10 years ago. In her case, you could call it “lifestyle diabetes”... she has been overweight my entire life, doesn’t really exercise (she has a treadmill and uses it, but it’s more of a quick gentle stroll than an actual workout) and has a terrible diet. She’s had to inject herself with medicine (not insulin, I’m not sure what it is) for about a year, possibly longer. She has to test her blood glucose and is very happy when she gets a low reading, but she does it at random when she feels like it, so I’m not entirely sure how reflective the results are of her actual state. She often says that she doesn’t think she’ll see 80/live to see my baby DS growing up/is worried she’s going to lose her sight/feet (she already has problems with both) etc etc.

From the beginning she treated it more as an inconvenience than a life threatening disease and did very little to change the habits that got her there in the first place. She blamed it on a chocolate addiction, in an I-can’t-help-it-I’m-a-chocoholic sort of way. Last year she paid a small fortune to have a hypnotherapist rid her of this chocolate addiction. And it sort of worked; she hasn’t had chocolate since. What she has done is replace it with other crap instead.

Since lockdown started I’ve been doing her shopping online for her and honestly her shopping list is alarming. A typical order would include two packs of plain hob nobs, two big tubs of full fat cottage cheese, two multipacks of hula hoops, two punnets of green grapes, three bags of fruit pastilles, three bags of wine gums, two bags of toffee popcorn, two tubs of dairylea spread, 5 bananas, two bottles of white zinfandel, 4 pints of whole milk. A few times she’s even ordered cream cakes. Oh and some Muller light Greek yogurt and maybe the odd vegetable (usually salad). This is to last a week.

But she’s really proud that she hasn’t had any chocolate Hmm.

This week, however, she has made a few changes, and she’s very pleased with herself. She’s only having the three bags of wine gums, no fruit pastilles. She hasn’t ordered hob nobs or hula hoops, but she has ordered a multipack of quavers and two very fatty cheeses (to have with the water biscuits she ordered last week).

I said that I thought she’d decided not to buy popcorn or sweets anymore, to which her response was “I’ve only bought popcorn and wine gums, not the sugary ones. No sweet biscuits or hoola hoops, and no cheese biscuits 😇 I think i’m doing quite well.”

I reminded her that there’s a crap tonne of sugar in the wine gums and popcorn (gave her the actual figures)- “Yes I know, but the injections clear most of it, and remember this is a week, not daily”

I pointed out that the point of the injections isn’t to enable her to eat a load of sugar. And that I know for a fact that she doesn’t space all that stuff out over a week, the sweet snacks are gone within a few days. “Well actually I do pretty well for me. I’ve already cut a lot of sugar and carbs out. No chocolate for nearly a year!! I’m feeling pretty good about myself”

And yet, later on in the day... “Uh-oh on the news, most covid deaths underlying illness is type 2 diabetes 😱 😭”

I brought up the fact that she’s got popcorn, crisps, sweets and an assortment of cheese in her shopping order... “I like living life on the edge.
Some of my pinprick results make me diabetes free!!”

I mean what the fuck do I say to that? How do I make her see that it’s no good her complaining when she eats so much rubbish? I feel like refusing to do her shopping for her, or refusing to order those items, but a) I’d never hear the end of it and b) she’d only get someone else to buy it for her.

I’m really worried. I don’t know what to do. What do I do?

OP posts:
Lexilooo · 21/05/2020 13:29

It sounds as though she needs further education on her condition.

The sweets and biscuits are a big problem. Pick your battles though, fat is much less of an issue and some full fat cottage cheese or yoghurt will help her feel full and make her less likely to snack.

I would suggest that she look at Michael Moseley's tv programmes and books he has done some great stuff about reversing type two diabetes. Learning about Glycemic Index would be useful too.

Perhaps look at any support groups or forums that might help her.

I expect she feels doing it all properly is too hard and therefore there is no point but if she can make some small changes to begin with it will help a lot then when she feels they are ok she can make some more changes.

Siameasy · 21/05/2020 14:47

Not smug because I am susceptible myself so am pretty strict about what I eat. Which isn’t always fun.

Getting T2 is not inevitable for most people and I think implying that it’s unavoidable means that people wont take the necessary action and also making them quite passive about their health.

The susceptibility in BAME in many cases is exacerbated by the western diet and studies of native Americans and Pacific Islanders have shown this to be the case. Prior to the introduction of western staples such as flour, diabetes was almost unknown amongst those groups. These groups now have high levels of obesity. Yet the NHS continue to push a high carb low fat diet for diabetics I actually despair.

OP-Many many people have an addiction to sugar and carbs and when you point that out you get denial, excuses and defensiveness. The change has to come from them-like any addict.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 21/05/2020 15:05

It sounds as though she needs further education on her condition.

How do you know that she doesn't already know full well, but has nevertheless made her own choice? Smoking is appallingly bad for anybody's health and everybody knows that perfectly well, but many, many people still choose to continue smoking (or even to start).

The same with drinking alcohol: everybody knows of the dangers of regular massive over-consumption, but (lockdown notwithstanding), city centre bars are still full on a Friday night of people who've deliberately made the choice to render themselves unable to drive, think or speak coherently and liable to wet themselves in public; and those are just the immediate consequences - no need even to just ignore the adverse effects that might happen in the distant future.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 21/05/2020 15:54

It sounds as though she needs further education on her condition

What a load of crap, sorry.
She might know full well exactly what she should or shouldn't be eating, but as an adult is presumably competent enough to make her own choices.
I mean, I'm overweight and really need to shift a couple of stone, doesn't mean I don't know how to do it though, I know how to perfectly well!
There's a lot of infantalising of adults on this thread.

BeyondMyWits · 21/05/2020 16:09

My nan did the "I'll eat however many doughnuts I want, young lady" speech, "I know it will make me die early, I'd rather have 10 years eating what I want rather than 20 years miserable."

Fair enough, her choice. We tried to persuade her otherwise, my mum even walked away from her, but she was adamant.

She was pretty miserable to only have 5 years, 2 of them blind.

Blunt, but sometimes that's the way it goes.

myself2020 · 21/05/2020 16:59

@beyondmywits i have a similar experience- it took my uncle 5 years to die. bedbound, loosing his limbs one by one, loosing his sight, and the ability to talk and even eat by himself. All while cognitively still mainly fine. Dying from the effects of diabetes (and obesity) is horrible.

Elmerrrrrrrr · 21/05/2020 17:12

Just to say there is nothing wrong with full fat dairy. Full fat cottage cheese is not bad for you and nor is whole milk.

Oceangirl82 · 21/05/2020 17:12

Speaking from experience unless YOU really, really want to change things yourself, than no amount of nagging, reading the riot, leaflets etc will work. Sometimes it has opposite effect and can make people dig their heels in! I’ve have been overweight (still need to loose some) and type 1 diabetic and nothing worked me until I felt I needed to change.

Sorry no advice OP but good luck.

dayslikethese1 · 21/05/2020 17:56

I hadn't heard of fat being bad for diabetes; surely milk, cheese and yoghurt is fine? You could always refuse to buy the sweets if it makes you uncomfortable though. I wouldn't bother lecturing someone.

supercilioussal · 21/05/2020 18:04

There are lots of theories around animal fats and diabetes. I am no scientist though, so I don’t know if there is any shred of accuracy in any of them!

It is true that fat can delay a spike beyond normal testing time, making you think it’s fine. A friend of mine who has T1 ate 2 pieces of deep crust Papa Johns, and despite his best efforts, 5 hours later was up at nearly 20. It should be below 7 and ideally between 4 and 6, to put that into perspective!

Apparently the human body is designed to relish the combination of fat and carbs. Which is why there is only so much plain pasta you can eat, or eggs, or spoonfuls of sugar. But cover that pasta in sauce and cheese; mix those eggs and sugar and turn them into ice cream, and we eat them and want more.

Msmcc1212 · 21/05/2020 18:07

If it helps, more than 98% of people with diabetes who contract covid-19 will be ok. Same risk level as being male apparently.

It’s hard to change habits and she is heading in the right direction.

BlingLoving · 22/05/2020 08:53

Deep crust papa johns means shed load of carbs. Bad ones.

supercilioussal · 22/05/2020 15:24

And the sauce must be full of sugar too. He didn’t make it to work the next day, he felt so rough after dealing with that all night!

I’m not even diabetic and I haven’t eaten that sort of pizza since, it really made me think about what it’s actually putting into your body.

Shame it has to be so tasty. Why can’t leafy green vegetables be like that??

ppeatfruit · 23/05/2020 09:05

Super if you steam greens, not too much and then dress them in a little lemon juice, olive oi\mustard and garlic, with celery salt , they ARE tasty!!!

Or add put them in a juicer with carrots, lemon, spring onions etc. YUM.

ThornyR0se · 23/05/2020 09:12

When she starts on about not seeing your DC grow up just cut her off with “I know it’s a shame isn’t it, oh well” and change the subject.

No point trying to change her.

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