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To think it's ridiculous that Scotland is still in full lockdown..

417 replies

YouHurtMeSoMuch · 18/05/2020 13:05

And no change before the 28th. What the hell is Nichola Sturgeon thinking?!

OP posts:
deydododatdodontdeydo · 18/05/2020 13:56

Why mention only Scotland and not Wales and Northern Ireland?

Because OP is in Scotland, so that's what's relevant to her.

YouHurtMeSoMuch · 18/05/2020 13:56

I am Scottish. I live in Scotland. Therefore I am commenting on Scotland and not on Wales or Northern Ireland. Not that difficult to understand.

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AnyFucker · 18/05/2020 13:57

Why mention only Scotland and not Wales and Northern Ireland?

Because we are talking about Scotland

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 18/05/2020 13:58

You can get fresh air i to your lungs! She's not welded everyone's door shut

This right here^

FFS, unless you’re shielding, you can still go out, you can still exercise, shop speak to others from a distance. If you’re in the house 24 hours a day and don’t need to be, that’s on your. Get if your arse and get some exercise.

ChangeThePassword · 18/05/2020 13:58

It's bizarre.

Despite it being mentioned several times in this thread, some people are still not acknowledging that it's England that is doing things differently to the rest of the UK.

Scotland always gets the blame, somehow! I wonder how much the media has to do with the perception that Scotland is the one going it alone.

MrsBlue4 · 18/05/2020 13:59

There were 57 new cases today and 2 deaths. In a population of 5.5 million. Like another poster said the death rate here seems to have been due to the numbers in care homes being affected. I agree another 10 days at least of this is depressing. Why not shield the highly vunerable and let the rest of us return to some form of normality.

DontTellThemYourNamePike · 18/05/2020 13:59

I'm in NI and we are still in lockdown. As far as I'm concerned, it seems sensible to stay that way until a testing/tracking system is set up. Otherwise I don't see much point in just going back to normal and waiting for the shit to hit the fan.

I have no idea if NI will go down the Boris route on 28th May, but I sincerely hope not. Of course, we can't stay in lockdown forever, but there needs to be a way out that doesn't involve just poking your head above the parapet to see if you get shot.

WaxOnFeckOff · 18/05/2020 13:59

I've posted this elsewhere, but I'm getting hacked off at everyone doing what the fuck they like and the meantime folk like my family who are complying are being given a taster of getting some loosening (probably less than England have) in another 2 weeks.

Still no answer as to why we are so far behind the R number despite a lock down apparently earlier in the cycle and despite the confident articulate updates, no answer as to why we are still doing worse than elsewhere.

My patience is growing thin, not with the lockdown per se, but the lack of action on those breaking it constantly and the lack of action on getting things under control including proper testing. I could do another month if everyone was doing it and it was showing results but getting to the point of feeling that if you can't beat them, join them.

ChangeThePassword · 18/05/2020 14:00

Because we are talking about Scotland

But we are taking about Scotland in relation to England, when it makes more sense to talk about Scotland in remain to the UK.

OnlyJudyCanJudgeMe · 18/05/2020 14:00

It’s the best thing!

ginnybag · 18/05/2020 14:00

Why Scotland and Wales? In part, because they don't want their countries, which have much lower figures than England, swamping by eejit English day-trippers piling into their Chelsea tractors and taking the 'travel for exercise' as a green-light to drive to climb bleeding Snowdon again!

Scotland shares a border with one of the currently worst affected areas of England and Wales isn't that far from another - it would take very little cross-border movement to move the infection as well. The leaders of those countries can't control English rules and English movement, but they can extend their own lockdowns to maintain their travel ban and to restrict the number of their own population who come into contact when those restrictions are ignored.

It is also, as was mentioned upthread, the case that the devolved nations have totally different demographics and capacity than England. ICU capacity, as stated above, in the North of Scotland is a completely different animal than in, say, Manchester.

I've no doubt that politics, particularly for Nicola Sturgeon, is a factor, but they have the right to make the decision and I can see why they are. (And, for clarity, I live in England, and the closest 'claim' to any of the other UK nations I have is Scottish grandparents on one side and an Irish great-grandma on the other.)

avroroad · 18/05/2020 14:00

YANBU. She is thinking that she wants to be different from England. End of story. Saint Nicola, saviour of the Scots from the Evil Boris.

This again Hmm

How stupid are people?

It is ENGLAND who are being different. Scotland, Wales, NI - all the SAME.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 18/05/2020 14:01

Maybe complain to the dumb selfish fuckers that are constantly breaking lockdown and helping the virus spread. They’re all part of the reason we’re all still in lockdown.

avroroad · 18/05/2020 14:01

I feel so sorry for them.

Your pity is not required.

Bowerbird5 · 18/05/2020 14:02

I think she is wise. Look at NZ they were stricter and now on Level 2 coming out. I know it is smaller in population but it has worked. I live near the border and wish I was on the other side. I am anxious thinking I might have to go back into school and weighing up if it is worth the risk or should I resign. My sisters are in Scotland and are coping. Niece has bought a recipe meal and is enjoying cooking and improving her skills. She has a small flat and no garden in the capital. Tries to get out for walk each day or does yoga. Supported by ourselves and her family further north.
Some people are coming across the border to shop!

Some people will need support I agree but some may have found inner strength.

Collaborate · 18/05/2020 14:03

England: Lead by buffoon. Relaxes lock down.

Scotland: Lead by sensible politician. Maintains lock down.

OP - Why the fuck aren't we all doing what the buffoon is saying we should do?

Oaktree55 · 18/05/2020 14:03

If only we had such sensible leadership. She’s got community testing set up and track and trace which is a World Health Organization requirement for opening up. In England we just have a huge mess which can only lead to problems in the future.

Sweetpotatoaddict · 18/05/2020 14:03

If lockdown works then peak must be at the same time, if it doesn’t then it won’t be. The only way it wouldn’t be is if we in Scotland locked down too early.

The longer time goes on the more I’m concerned that the long term effects of COVID-19 will be much greater. Wonder how many suicides there were over the weekend? People are struggling with the lockdown, it is breaking people. There have been no registered new cases in the western isles for almost a month, why can their schools not return? Children will have been out of school 5 months, what will the effects of this be? Nobody really knows. The legacy of COVID may well prove itself to be much worse than the disease. Which is why risk must be taken to ease lockdown,

I have absolutely no idea what NS agenda is but it certainly does not feel it is to protect Scotland’s interests at present.

If there is to be a second peak as they predict, surely sooner rather than later would be beneficial to avoid the mess of usual winter respiratory conditions, and COVID. They appear to be far away from achieving their testing target in Scotland, why is that? Perhaps their just isn’t enough COVID about.

Bluesheep8 · 18/05/2020 14:05

I think it’s ridiculous that England isn’t still in full lockdown...

So do I. And I have a nasty feeling it's so that WE can conveniently take the blame for the next spike. Hence all the vagueness. So that we misunderstand and get it wrong. And can then be blamed. Genius really.

Bowerbird5 · 18/05/2020 14:05

I agree Totally I have two next door and their mates two doors down! One is working in NHS at the moment the other cleans public areas.🤬

LagunaBubbles · 18/05/2020 14:05

Oh look yet another anti SNP post. What a surprise. Tell me OP why didnt you mention Wales and Northern Ireland?
Everyone I know supports this decision btw.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 18/05/2020 14:07

Let me think. 🤔 Who should I trust more, those politicians in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, who are putting people’s lives first or the political leader who boasted about shaking hands with COVID19 patients and then catching COVID19? It’s such a hard choice.

YouHurtMeSoMuch · 18/05/2020 14:07

For the last time Laguna. I commented on Scotland because I am Scottish and live in Scotland.

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T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 18/05/2020 14:08

One is working in NHS at the moment the other cleans public areas. That makes me so angry, especially the NHS worker as they could infect so many vulnerable people in their line of work.

sunglasses123 · 18/05/2020 14:08

The number of care home deaths is what needs to be investigated. They were late to the party and have not been able to get on top of it (why is another question!).

Her R number is far too high considering the size of the country and I do wonder how she gets away with not being questioned hard on this.

So, I guess she has no choice but to keep the lockdown going.

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