To say I don't care what genitals the person in the next loo cubicle has...

[coronaandtired]

And that most people probably don't either?

I'm sick of the transphobia on Mumsnet, and fed up of how it seems to be fine on here to go after trans writers such as Juno Dawson, who is writing from their own experience and imagination, and absolutely allowed to publish whatever the fuck they want.

I care.

I do care

I care too, very much!!

I hate that it is considered transphobic to not want male gentelalia in the next toilet.

Wait! Did Rowan just repeat what I posted, say nobody else was saying it and then flounced?

Ooer!

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras I wasn't paying attention to you, but the funny comment that another woman made about you. They're who I come here to hear.

A quick glance at your posts shows you're still up to the whataboutery and wilful misunderstanding though.

@HeyDuggeewhatchadoin

It’s all a bit shite on a white charger isn’t it?

I care, as part of the wider issue of single sex spaces being maintained. No should always override yes. If any woman doesn't consent, it shouldn't happen.

HeyDuggeewhatchadoin

You weren't paying attention to me but noticed is posted and then took the trouble to repeat a post about me from another thread? Methinks you doth protest too much.

I'm female

I'm care.

*i

I care. And I think that it's fine to care.

And I think it's sad that people see women as so subhuman that their concerns don't and shouldn't matter.

Sorry, I should have said that was a rhetorical question really 😂

I would have no problem if a trans-woman was in the cubicle next to me but a man? I'd prefer men kept out of women only spaces. It's not like there are that many of them, can't we keep the bogs man free?

A couple of years ago, this thread would have been alight with agitated conflict, op.

But as you can see, most people disagree with your opening post.

Calling women bigots, transphobes and t**fs has not worked. No debate has not worked. Threats, bullying, appeals to socialisation and demands for us to be kind, has not worked.

It's notable, that almost everyone on this thread is polite and civil.

Women are just saying no. We don't have to justify it, or give you reasons for you to start picking apart.

As Maya Forstarter has said, women do not consent.

No.

I care

I care. And my entire family also care. It's a total no brainer to them.

My concern isn't with genuine trans-women but with men who use the term in order to be allowed in to single sex spaces. There have been a number of cases where men have attacked women under the guise of being transgender.
I think it's ridiculous how lesbians are being outed as Terfs because they don't want to have sex with people with penises. I've also seen people advocating for "death to terfs", in my mind it's just another way for promoting violence against women.
I think the trans issue is akin to the grooming gangs, where women and girls were put a risk by those who didn't want to be seen a bigoted.
Out of all the arguments I've seen, why is it always about Transwomen and not transmen? I see it as a way for men to position themselves in to women's spaces.

I support trans women and their right to identify with and live their life in whatever way that makes them comfortable and happy.

I support women being entitled to the single sex spaces we have been entitled to for many generations.

I think the issues don't have to conflict morally, we can that there are mutually beneficial that don't infringe on either group. It's not that difficult really

I care greatly about women- only spaces. And you should here my husband on the subject!

No thanks. A penis doesn't belong in women's spaces. I can't believe that is no longer obvious.

My concern isn't with genuine trans-women but with men who use the term in order to be allowed in to single sex spaces

And that's where the discussion becomes stalemate.
As you say you aren't concerned about genuine trans women, but with men - a lot on here say there are no trans women, only men.
That's where the problem lies on here.
There's the more moderate views, like yours, then the extremist ones.

as someone who has worked with gender neural toilets etc, i can safely say i hated them.

the men would leave the loos in awful states and seats up etc.

Women’s rights to single sex spaces, safety, privacy, and dignity belong to us. We have not given permission for transgender people or activists to take them away or invade them. If we want male bodies in our sports, changing rooms, toilets, refuges or prisons, we’ll ask for them. Don’t hold your breath...

Work in an extremely liberal environment. After a refurn ended up with 2 sets of women’s toilets next to each other to ensure met ratio of F:m toilets. Was like this for years. Operated well, barely any queues. Made one ‘gender neutral’ as a trial about a year ago. Queues at women’s one and the gender neutral was barely used. Also some gender neutral in a quiet basement area, tucked in a corner. I never use them.

So seems many women do care. Also seen the same in theatres when they make all toilets gender neutral - big queues for women’s.

Fine with gender neutral if it’s individual toilets with sinks in each, without narrow corridor for people to get trapped in. Hopefully no urine on seats as that’s common too.