To say I don't care what genitals the person in the next loo cubicle has...

[coronaandtired]

And that most people probably don't either?

I'm sick of the transphobia on Mumsnet, and fed up of how it seems to be fine on here to go after trans writers such as Juno Dawson, who is writing from their own experience and imagination, and absolutely allowed to publish whatever the fuck they want.

@coronaandtired

Do you agree that a discussion group for the long-lasting and difficult physical results from a miscarriage should be legitimately biological woman only?

@coronaandtired and @OneNewName please would you mind answering my question? Real life example.

A man I know (not trans) loves to go into women's toilets to masturbate to the sound of women urinating, defecating and dealing with menstruation. He used to sneak in. Now he walks in as calm as you like. UK. Used to be Scotland, he's moved to England now.

I know he does this because he told me (I avoided going when I knew he was around) as part of his fetish was talking about it to women. Asking questions about why the sound of the pee stream changes over the course of the pee. He married a woman who indulges his love of golden showers.

Would you really not mind him being in the cubicle next to you? What about a daughter, niece or other young female acquaintance?

It's not a difficult question lemonade

It is, if you believe that women boil down to nothing more than a feeling. Apparently we aren’t anything more than a fantasy, like tinker bell or Father Christmas. 🤷🏻‍♀️ If women would just stop ‘feeling’ like women, then the rape and murder statistics would plummet.

I don't want to share toilets with men. Bad enough doing it at home lol.

Only half joking.

I care.

Even if I did not, I would respect that other people do. It is not for me to give their rights away.

t is, if you believe that women boil down to nothing more than a feeling

I haven't said that though, anywhere. Why not try reading what I actually wrote?

@coronaandtired I am interested to know why you think trans folk care about the genitals of the person in the loo cubicle next to them. Why do they care? If it doesn't matter then why not just stick to the toilets designed for their anatomy?

I don't care personally but I care for other females who may feel uncomfortable about makes bodied people sharing toilets and other spaces. I don't think it's trabsphobic to want single sex spaces.

I have no problem with transwomen but I like having single sex spaces. I imagine lots of men also like single sex spaces. If transwomen don't feel safe using the mens toilets then that is a problem that men need to sort out. Women shouldn't be shamed for not wanting men to share their toilets.

@T0tallyFuckedUpFamily wouldn’t it be brilliant if girls and woman could identify their way out of rape, murder, female genital mutilation and trafficking. Of course we can’t, because in actual fact, despite seemingly popular opinion, sexist notions do not in actual fact change biology.

If women would just stop ‘feeling’ like women, then the rape and murder statistics would plummet.

Yes, you're right, it's our fault really.

Although, if more men identified as women then they would be at less risk of dying from Corona virus?

I don't care ( apart from the mess) about toilets for myself but I do care for young girls, women who do not want to share whether due to previous sexual abuse, religion or just because. I care deeply about women in prisons and refuges sharing with natal males, I have no intention of using a refuge or a prison. A society needs to care about the vulnerable ( I'm not talking about trans - suicide stats are dubious) and not take a I'm alright Jack attitude, so if other women care, I care.

I don't care and I'm a woman who's been sexually assaulted.

The man in question wasn't pretending to be a woman - as in 99.9% of sexual assault cases, he was simply a man in a neutral space. If a man wants to sexually assault you, he doesn't have to go to great lengths to do so, it's depressingly easy.

Are you just making up what I've actually said now to fit your own narrative?
WTF I didn't say anything of the sort lol, this is bonkers

If women would just stop ‘feeling’ like women, then the rape and murder statistics would plummet

Still, there seems to be no question about which babies to abort or throw on the trash heap. Is there a special " lady cry" they can stop doing to ensure they arent mistakenly murdered?

No one has said that Hooves. But you are the one intent on ignoring that most sexual abuse is committed by men, child sexual abuse by men, that domestic violence, murder, manslaughter, and terrorism are also largely by ...you know...men.

I responded to a comment that said girls at school avoid using the toilet because of boys. There was no reference to murder, rape of anything other than bullying so why take my comment and expand it.

Do you agree with the initial post then? That girls avoid using school toilets due to boys bullying them?

It's quite amusing seeing the desperation in someone trying to make it all about them as per usual

I don’t care about genitals.

I do care about biological women and girls having safe private spaces.

Giving rights to one should not automatically take rights away from others.

I care. It's not transphobic to care about this. They scream transphobia every time they don't get their way.

There was no reference to murder, rape of anything other than bullying so why take my comment and expand

Gawd knows, it's gone batshit - loads of erm..... "extra" added to my comment too lol

Didn't say that at all, did I?
Put your own little twist on it all you like to ignore what I actually said,
- is that whatever anyone puts, if it's not an answer "acceptable" you'll just pretend it was never answered in the first place and keep on asking over and over and over and over until everyone agrees with you and your viewpoint,

You never answer, because you know your answer will boil down to sexist stereotypes and how Male bodied people ‘feel’ like women. If you have a strong argument that doesn’t hark back to those points, please feel free to share it. After all, you’re here to argue for the rights of male bodied people having access to female spaces, so it shouldn’t be difficult. Or is accusing people of being transphobic the only argument that TRAs and their supporters can come up with. Oh, plus the usual false suicide and murder statistics.

I don't care either

Well yes it boils down to

If it's not a feeling and it's not stereotypes and it's not biology then what is it

What links me to my friend to the child bride to the aborted babies....

Babies and fetuses cant Express an identity so it cant be that

Plenty of people care including almost every person I know, men and women.

Good point t0tally it shouldn't be women arguing why males shouldn't be given access to female spaces,but for males to argue why they should have access.