To say I don't care what genitals the person in the next loo cubicle has...

[coronaandtired]

And that most people probably don't either?

I'm sick of the transphobia on Mumsnet, and fed up of how it seems to be fine on here to go after trans writers such as Juno Dawson, who is writing from their own experience and imagination, and absolutely allowed to publish whatever the fuck they want.

Why don't Transwomen want to share the bathrooms with men anyway? Is it because they don't feel safe either? Surely that speaks volumes in itself?

And that, your honour, concludes the case for the defence

Haven't read any of the replies but I completely agree with you OP x

Well done for basking in your ignorance.

I can’t see an angry mob @LemonadeAndDaisyChains ? Classic misogyny though isn’t it? Labelling women with opinions and ANGRY - hateful?! Witches?!

Why do men get to keep their space but women must give up theirs?

A man complains, everyone falls over to rectify it.

A woman complains she’s transphobic

If a space is worth being single sex then it should remain single sex, so a man identifying as a woman would not be allowed into the female space (and vice versa).

If it the space can be mixed sex then make it mixed sex.

Saying it is valid to have a single sex facility then letting in some of the opposite sex makes no sense. Either it needs to be sex segregated or it doesn't.

Maybe more toilets will go unisex. Some sports, like dressage too. Prisons, 100m hurdles and rugby? No.

@OldQueen1969 I tried but got bored

@SurfnTerfFantasticmissfoxy I suppose a woman could have a penis is a woman had one surgically attached. Otherwise, nope.

@Fluffybutter

Well, there you go then. No debate eh?

I don't believe TWAW as I'm gender critical but personally I don't really care if the person in the next toilet cubicle has a weener or not. However I accept that other women do and therefore would support their right to single sex spaces.

If you’ve ever been sexually assaulted, threatened or physically assaulted by a man you might feel differently

I have and have used unisex bathrooms and felt fine.

Why don't Transwomen want to share the bathrooms with men anyway? Is it because they don't feel safe either? Surely that speaks volumes in itself?

I'd have thought because they identify as women?
Nothing to do with "feeling safe"

As a male, reading this makes me feel ashamed of my sex that we have made women feel this unsafe being around us in confined spaces, but please remember that many men would want separate toilets partly because we don't want women to feel unsafe.

There seems to be an assumption that men would have no problem sharing these spaces (not you @megatron !), but plenty of us wouldn't like it either.

I care. I don’t want to share toilets with men regardless of how they identify.

Single sex spaces are important.

I care and my entire family across 3 generations, male and female want to maintain sex segregated toilets, sports, prisons the lot.

What about changing rooms OP? Like in my gym? Should I be forced to change in front of 'woman with a penis? Should I be forced to see random cocks in the changing room?

Cos that sounds a bit like sexual abuse to me

Humour aside...

Why don't Transwomen want to share the bathrooms with men anyway? Is it because they don't feel safe either? Surely that speaks volumes in itself?

Well exactly.

Oh and I’ve donated a million pounds to the LGB Alliance and my Dads bigger than yours

@bloodywhitecat
So sorry to hear what your mum endured but single sex toilets would not and did not save her.

No, we don't assume that, honest.

Nor do we presume to speak for men who may, or may not, feel uncomfortable with unisex loos.

We leave the male perspective for men to articulate. It is, after all, only logical!

LemonadeAndDaisyChains, if you believe that TWAW, can you answer my previous question please?

I have and have used unisex bathrooms and felt fine.

So you’ve been through that, yet have absolutely no empathy with other women who have been affected and fear sharing spaces with male bodied people, no matter how they identify?

I care
After.my daughter was spied upon when changing into her swim wear at a Haven caravan park. She was 5 at the time

That same girl is now 10 and has started her period. She is physically ready for it but not mentally. She is so worried about leaking, about people knowing and hearing her in the toilet. The last thing she needs is the added stress of having to deal with having to share her toilet with boys too.

Dd also thinks that you can change from a boy to a girl simply by putting on a skirt, growing hair long and changing names, as this is what's happened at her school.

I care about womens sports. I care about penises in womens prisons and shelters.

I also care about those who do not identify with their physical sex. It must be terrible to have such confusion and distress. I don't want them to be persecuted and and bullied and for their lives to be made harder. I just don't think that womens rights, my daughters rights should be thrown away to accommodate the trans and non binary community. There must be alternative solutions that suit most if not all.

I care. Do some reading around on Reddit and twitter and tumblr, some real reading, and see how many AGP men love using women's bathrooms to force women to participate in what is no more than a fetish, or steal used san pro to wear or do worse with. No, not all men, not all trans, blah blah. But one in cubicle next to my 10 year old is one too many. Basic safeguarding to say nope, single sex, whatever the identification. That isn't a fear of trans people. Women who decide to identify as men don't both me remotely although I'm sad for them. Calling it transphobia is a nonsense designed to shame women out of our boundaries and nothing more.

Also what about teenage girls being bullied by boys when they hear the crinkle of their pad and tampon packets or the sounds of them using the toilet? It leads to girls avoiding using toilets (in schools).

See, for me, this argument is ridiculous. When I was at school, those bullying girls and the reason why many girls didn't use the toilets were --- other girls.

When my daughter wouldn't use the toilets at school, the reason was --- other girls.

Yet somehow, that fact simply gets erased on threads like these. As though if only men and boys didn't exist then all forms of bullying and assault would simply disappear. It's ridiculous.

I'd have thought because they identify as women?
Nothing to do with "feeling safe" confused hmm

Ah, so a misunderstanding - we call it the ladies/women's toilet, but what we mean is for females - whether they are women (ie adult) or girls (child). It never occurred that there would be people who declared themselves women, but who weren't female.