To not want my child to return to a school full of reluctant teachers

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Even if the Government endorses school reopening, who would want to send their child into an environment where the teachers clearly do not want them there ?

I don't think that the way schools are going to have to be run in the next few weeks is going to reinforce anyone's love of learning, to be honest.
And I have to say, if I'm going to run the gauntlet of close proximity to potential Covid carriers, it shouldn't be because little Susie is missing her friends.

Have you actually looked at the statistics recently? Go try educate yourself about the facts, before slagging off teachers

You mean the statistics from ONS that say only 2 children in UK have died from Covid?!

Have you actually looked at the statistics?

And as for your comment about caring about a child more than the parent. That was disgraceful

However, I want my DS to go back to school because I want him to see and talk to another child other than through a screen; I want his love of learning to return; I want to see him happy and engaged when he has been learning about a subject from a qualified teacher and feeding from the other children in his class; I don’t think it is good for his emotional development to be stuck at home with no other child; I don’t want the incredible progress he has made (and his enthusiasm for school and learning) as a late summer born to be undone.

I understand that and it must be really difficult, but none of those reasons are good enough justification to put teachers, children and their families’ lives at risk, which going back under unsafe conditions would do.

Your post has the usual unpleasant teacher bashing tone. Have a think about it maybe.

You mean the statistics from ONS that say only 2 children in UK have died from Covid?!

Don’t forget the 4 teachers a week since it started with only a very small number of children in school.

In fact my figures are old. It’s at least 65 educational staff.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/schoolsweek.co.uk/ons-figures-reveal-65-covid-related-deaths-in-education/amp/

@mumtomaxwell
people don’t want to parent their own kids! I have said this a number of times, and been told I'm unreasonable, so I'm glad others feel the same.
@solomummy Ultimately, this pandemic has really highlighted to me, the people who never should have had children, as they don't wishbto be with them and are not willing to put their own interests second.

The people who should never have had children haha. Their own interests being worried about losing their job and having no money to feed their children

For the record I don't think I will go back to work as was before, before my mat leave starts and am concerned that I won't have a job to go back to, but that's just me not wanting to look after my child

Heckypeck

From your own linked to article:

“The rate of COVID-19-related deaths among teaching and educational professionals, which for the purposes of the data collection excludes TAs, educational support assistants, lunchtime and crossing patrols, school secretaries and advisers and inspectors, was 6.7 per 100,000 for men and 3.3 for women.

This is roughly the same rate as those classed as business and public service associate professionals (6.8 and 2.8) and corporate managers and directors (6.4 and 2.6), but much lower than those in elementary trades and related occupations (27.8 and 12.5) and those in textiles, printing and other skilled trades (24.6 and 7.0)”

I’m not saying it isn’t tragic that they have died. Not that teachers could die if they return back to a fully attended educational setting. But using those numbers as an argument is flawed.
It also doesn’t say where they picked up the virus...

Heckypeck of course it is sad educational staff have died but there is nothing within that article to indicate they are dying disproportionately to the rest of the working age population

@Raaaa

The people who should never have had children haha. Their own interests being worried about losing their job and having no money to feed their children

Yes. It's shit.

But school staff also have children, and if those school staff get sick and potentially die, there's nobody to care for and provide for those children. Teachers and other school staff also have people at home to whom they'd rather not pass the virus on.

Either it's safe to abandon social distancing or it isn't. The rules are very disjointed. It's still not ok for two adults who have been in a long term relationship for years and who live apart but have been socially isolated for two weeks to see each other without social distancing. Yet DfE guidance on school reopening says that primary school children and those with special educational needs should not be expected to remain 2m from staff or other kids while in school. Yes, there is 'some' evidence that small children spread the virus at a lower rate. But that doesn't mean they don't spread it at all.

Teachers, rightly, are very anxious about this, and feel that without the provision of PPE, they're being put at huge risk.

of course it is sad educational staff have died but there is nothing within that article to indicate they are dying disproportionately to the rest of the working age population

In fact, the article actually states that there doesn’t appear to be a link between occupation and death rate at this stage.
I say ‘at this stage’ because this could of course change once people start to return back to school and the workplace. And maybe educational staff in primary settings will be at more risk of death at that point. Unfortunately, there isn’t a way to determine this from the data we have now.

heckypeck

You took my comment out of context when I talked about the reasons for wanting my child to go back to school. I was responding to a poster who rudely said people wanted kids to go back because they don’t want to parent their own children

You missed off this part:

Not one of my reasons for wanting him to return are about not wanting to parent my child!

@whydobirds I'm just commenting on people's sweeping statements about other shouldn't have children, I know the situation with the teachers..

@AllTheUserNamesAreTaken yes my comment wasn't taken out of context aswell people seem to think you're constantly digging at teachers and don't read it properly..

What concerns me too is how the 'bubbles' of 15 kids plus staff will work.
Will it be one member of staff per 15 kids? That would be a nightmare for safeguarding, SEN support and just for practicalities eg if the teacher needs the loo or if a kid is ill.
But any more people in the room with non socially-distanced youngsters means those adults may as well not be socially distanced either.
Plus, given the amount of on-the-go cleaning that is being suggested, how much actual benefit are the children going to get from this. There won't be extra staff to do the cleaning, it will be the classroom teacher.

@Raaaa sorry, late night, not had coffee yet.

whydobirds

They have opened up the skate parks round here.

That means that any "bubble of 15" is already influenced by an external number.

@whydobirds
What concerns me too is how the 'bubbles' of 15 kids plus staff will work.
In the school I'm in (and others nearby), there will be one teacher and one TA for each bubble. The bubbles will all arrive and leave school at different times, have different breaks/lunchtimes and basically will not mix at all with any other bubble. The 2 members of staff will stay with their bubble, all day, each day. If any adult or child within the bubble show any symptoms, akl those in the bubble will have to self isolate at home for 14 days.

@LadyPenelope68 presumably anyone with symptoms will get tested and only if a positive will everyone still have to isolate for 14 days?

@headachehenry
At the moment, with lots of school opening guidance being so vague, we don't actually know, but logically you would think so.

@LadyPenelope68 it's odd really...I'm in a hospital and we don't have any guidance like this. My colleagues (who I share a non PPE environment with, much like a bubble in school I suppose) have been tested positive and self isolate with their families in the normal way but we all carry on at work. I do wonder if we should be isolating more as well?