To believe we are back to Herd Immunity

[yesterdayschild]

Those of us who have very little are almost being forced back to work where the risk of catching CV could be very high. The rich, famous and privileged can afford to stay home or work from home where the risk is much lower.

I am worried for everyone who has to go back to work. Ifeel that the government does not give a shit about the less fortunate people.

The difficulty is that we have already hit a recession - how much further into recession can we go before we collapse?

I'm not defending the Government, I just can't see any other way out of it. Rishi Sunak has said quite openly that extending furlough at the current 80% rate isn't viable, without people going back to work there's no real alternative, and in order for people to go back to work children have to go back to school. I honestly don't know what else there is - do we have a recession where huge numbers of families and children enter into poverty and live on UC (which has been proven to not be enough to live on)?

Well that's been obvious since they brought in UC and changed disability benefits. Their stance on not using public transport is ridiculous.

Unfortunately though without a vaccine we do need herd immunity. We do need to start moving forward but plans should have been proposed and looked over to see of they would work. We need those antibody tests in place, as well.

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Oh I know you are right but it breaks my heart that some rich celebrity can sit this out for however long it takes yet working class people are being used as canon fodder.

And today the announcement of more austerity and freezing nurses' pay instead of getting the very rich to pay their taxes.

I was saying to my mum this morning that the biggest legacy of this pandemic will be the deepening of the class divide

YANBU. The government doesn’t give a shit or they’ll be increasing the taxes of the rich. Don’t even care enough about the NHS to increase their wages either.

As someone who has not taken a day off apart from rotaed days in the pandemic yabu.

I barely earn minimum wage, I've risked my life and that of many others to provide a service.

What makes you more privileged than me. It's not a race to the bottom but for the sake of the economy people need to work.

I am worried for everyone who has to go back to work

What about us who never had the option to not work?

The government dont care how many people die, they just don't want them to die all at the same time so that the NHS isn't overwhelmed.
If they actually wanted to save lives they'd have set up track and trace earlier.

But lock down was never about preventing everyone from getting it, it was about stopping everyone getting it at once so not to overwhelm the nhs and cause more deaths. Though everyone knows this surely.

I get it's not ideal and is scary but as long as you're careful with hygiene and interactions and not shielding you should be fine, and if not the NHS is not better prepared and able to care for you.

I echo a previous poster, though I understand those having to go back are concerned, there's plenty of people who haven't had the luxury of protection for the last 3 months: super markets workers, bin men, farmers, nhs, etc.

Horrible times for all of us! Take care of yourself x

There is a lot of people who have worked through this. Shop workers and the NHS I feel for!!!

I think you’re right about back to herd immunity, but there are some of us who have worked right through and didn’t have the luxury of staying home at all.

Of course we are. THAT is the plan. The experts have known from day 1 that the disease will trickle through society. They are only protecting the NHS so it doesn’t collapse. What on Earth do you think “flattening of the curve” is? It isn’t about bringing down deaths or actually protecting the people. It’s so that the NHS can deal with a small number of people at a time.

It’s herd immunity. It’s always been herd immunity. It never changed. This is the next wave we’re riding now.

It won't be herd immunity. There won't be a 100% effective vaccine. From that POV it'll be like the flu. There'll be treatment hopefully and that will bring the death rate down. Testing and tracing will happen when there are outbreaks that get beyond a certain level.
It's really the treatment side of things that needs more attention.
We wouldn't be in such a lather if we knew we'd have a rough illness but would be treated and survive it ok. It's the big unknown aspect of it that's scary at the moment.
That's just my opinion based on nothing scientific whatsoever.

I absolutely agree with you OP. It’s awful and so sad. The class divide is more extreme than at any time I’ve ever experienced.

I don't think we left the idea of herd immunity did we?

As for herd immunity, is there evidence of lasting immunity now?

Yep. Nothing has changed. There are more cases now than when lockdown started and yet we're all being packed off.back to work straightaway. I thought they might have got the track and trace app working first at least

live on UC (which has been proven to not be enough to live on)

Well, seeing as it was designed to impoverish people that goes without saying.

It should be changed. It's reprehensible to continue to accept such a policy now it's been exposed for the deliberately damaging force that it is.

None of the people who needed UC before CV came along deserved to suffer or be impoverished either.

@Cissyandflora I'm assuming that you are expressing sympathy for the key workers. the care workers, supermarket staff, delivery drivers, bin men etc that have worked through the crisis rather than the nen essential worker that the op is that's had her furlough cut short and is whinging.

yet working class people are being used as canon fodder we always have been! Us carers have been working more hours than ever during this! We haven't had a few weeks off to spend with our children. Our children have been at school so we've had to risk them too all whilst people furloughed tell us how they "couldn't possibly send their kids to school during the pandemic". I love my job and I look after my residents like they're my family but it's still trying. See also supermarket/shop workers, refuse collectors etc.

My husband has never stopped going out to work. Never been an option.

I know this is a stupid question (how long is a piece of string-esque) but when are we likely to hit what seems to be an inevitable second wave? Will it be summer or later in the year?

It's always been herd immunity, that's why the slogan was "protect the NHS" not "eradicate the virus"

The population has to get it, so we can move on. It's just we needed ensure there were enough critical care beds available and with mass field hospitals at the ready, we are.

I know it's daunting going back to work, but myself like many others on this thread have worked in the community throughout this pandemic.

Stay safe, wash your hands, socially distance. It's the best you can do for you and your family.

The government doesn’t give a shit or they’ll be increasing the taxes of the rich

But the government don't even have to increase tax for the rich, they just have to collect taxes from the rich.

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-corporate-tax-avoidance-havens-justice-network-dodging-a8933661.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR0dBDc0jfCQcQSY9lzy2Hd37Z7bGKXNpFw_Sg3Cbr1bLAm0vU58cHEZQiI

Completely agree with OP. The nonsense about being able to go out to exercise for as long as you want, go sunbathing and travel anywhere in England show its nothing to do with getting the economy moving.