To believe we are back to Herd Immunity

[yesterdayschild]

Those of us who have very little are almost being forced back to work where the risk of catching CV could be very high. The rich, famous and privileged can afford to stay home or work from home where the risk is much lower.

I am worried for everyone who has to go back to work. Ifeel that the government does not give a shit about the less fortunate people.

There can’t be herd immunity unless there is a vaccine. I wish people would stop with the herd immunity line - it doesn’t work like that. We don’t have herd immunity to the flu and without a vaccine it could take a years and years or not happen at all - there’s not much evidence for immunity if you’ve had it before

But YANBU OP in that the government realised this isn’t going anywhere and wants the working class back out there for the sake of the economy. However it’s not so much about herd immunity IMO just a second wave the NHS can currently manage and mainly affecting the working class.

There can’t be herd immunity unless there is a vaccine
Of course there can. You can become immune to a disease by catching it. A vaccine is merely replicating the natural process of catching the disease.

Money & privilege didn’t stop Boris catching the virus

He thought it would though.

Read the rest of mumsnet and it’s full of complaints about how nobody should be afraid and it’s all an overreaction. Which I disagree with in case that’s not clear

Demonic Cullings

I agree. There is no 'herd immunity' without a vaccine.

He thought it would though

No I presume he thought the WHO advice that there wasn't human to human transmission was correct.

FFS, here we go again.

I work in food production, food safety and health and safety to be exact. We’ve worked all throughout the peak without fanfare, or weekly claps. Whenever anyone mentions key workers, we’re never in the list. Half my suppliers let us down as we are “not essential” If all food production shut down and fecked off home to cower behind closed doors on 80% furlough pay the army would be on the streets within the hour.

We’ve had no government guidance until this week, it’s all been down to me to make sure our staff and products are safe. How many of our staff do you think caught it? Clue, none.

Since I got the guidelines I have made precisely no changes to what we do, as my own common sense put all the fact same measures in weeks ago.

Any decent company will not open if they can’t keep their staff safe. Shit company’s can be reported to the H&S commission who will act.

Seriously, there’s no reason a lot of people can’t go back to work now. IMHO, public transport is the main sticking point, but a lot of people can get round that.

I'm on furlough but I'm not worried about going back to work (when I do).

A bit off topic, but is there any evidence that people with underlying health issues who have got Covid have actually survived it??

Aposterhasnoname

ABSOLUTELY

We've also been working throughout (manufacturing) and imposed anti corona measures two weeks before lockdown with no official govt advice. Dh did it all himself. We've had no cases at all!

The biggest issue we had were a few staff who wanted the furlough and kicked off about not getting it, even though we had work for them to do.

sitting in the park sunbathing helps how?

Increased vitamin D levels. Vit D shortage massively increases your chance of dying from the coronavirus.

The reason for the furlough was to prevent a) riots and b) the JobCentres and DWP from being overwhelmed by new UC claims. It was not to protect the workers so much as to stop them from rioting and turning on the Govt.

oh no, i have to get back to work.
newsflash, some of us never stopped. AND are having to work full time and home educate the children.

do you just want to stay home doing fuck all? watching box sets and doing some baking you will then photograph and plaster on Facebook because this time is oh so precious?

What “ A bit off topic, but is there any evidence that people with underlying health issues who have got Covid have actually survived it??”

Um, given the number of people who havent died, I’d say yes?

NHS stats might do figures in those discharged.

The job retention scheme was to protect employers. To help them to retain workers.

how can we have herd immunity when we have no idea if you can get immunity and if one does - how long it lasts for ??????

Aposterhasnoname

Just done little clap for you and all the others who never get mentioned.

Thank you puttingout.

MrsHound “ Easing restrictions to allow people to work is probably going to help stimulate the economy, sitting in the park sunbathing helps how?”

You don’t think it’s good to get fresh air and sun for physical and mental health? You’d rather my nurse neighbour has her 12 hour shifts and then sits in 400 sq ft studio alone?
No I would rather her go out for a period of exercise each day near to her home

Even in Germany, their strictest lockdown encouraged people to get some sun and fresh air.
And what is happening? Their cases are rising again - fast

If you’ll only be swayed by economics - are you Matt Hancock - then surely the fact that people who can get out more will have better health and be less likely to get sick and carry on with their jobs, should sway you?
I think that until we have a vaccine we should not be going for herd immunity

Maybe I'm being thick, but herd immunity only works if catching it once makes you immune. We have no proof it does?

A bit off topic, but is there any evidence that people with underlying health issues who have got Covid have actually survived it??

Here’s one example for a start:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/man-who-lost-lung-battling-cancer-survives-covid-19-decade-later/OAU5PCE2HFHEPBDVJFRDS5PMJ4/%3foutputType=amp

Read the statistics and use common sense!

The government have repeatedly said that herd immunity is not, nor ever has been, a strategy. Doesn't stop the media whipping everyone up into a frenzy about it though.

I know we would all like more money but would you really want to be stuck in a prison however luxurious for the rest of your life like a Saudi princess?
We will never be clear of the virus because no vaccine will be 100% effective. So at some point everyone will have to venture out and take a risk. It’s the same every time you cross the road go in a car/plane, you take what precautions you can but there is still a risk.

Here's a report on a study from the University of Manchester, Salford Royal and Res Consortium which suggests that the herd is slowly gaining immunity, leading to a decreasing 'R' value.

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/uk-coronavirus-live-antibody-test-approved-for-use-latest-updates?page=with:block-5ebd1c018f08a55ecde59c6d#block-5ebd1c018f08a55ecde59c6d

Maybe I'm being thick, but herd immunity only works if catching it once makes you immune.

I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box either, but I believe you're largely right. Although developing antibodies to one strain is, I think, likely to mean that you will have a milder reaction to mutated strains, even though you won't be immune.