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Is he Anal or am I in the wrong

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IsHeAnal · 11/05/2020 21:06

Can someone just please tell me if I’m be unreasonable when I tell my partner that he is playing mind games with my girls. This is written in a rush after yet another incident so I’m a bit peed off right now. It’s long and sorry for all mistakes and grammar.

We’ve been together since end 2016. Moved in together end 2018. He moved to my area and we moved into a new place.
He is brilliant with the girls. He never had any children himself. I don’t drive so all after school activities etc that’s not within walking distance he takes and drops them. He treat them. Surprised them this Xmas with one of their favourite music artists (might be cancelled) but just to give you an idea that he does a lot for them.

Now my biggest biggest issue is what I personally call “anal” behaviour. The girls are 12 and 9. From all my friends near and friends who I know who doesn’t live near us my girls go to bed early. Always has either screen time on their iPads or on DD1s phone. If behaviour isn’t good I can just say to them “put your phone downstairs until you behave better etc”. They might be annoyed but they don’t question my choices. My 9 year old is a little like me and will ask me if I’m the boss of her etc or why am I on my phone before reluctantly putting hers down.

I’m now going to list what he does that annoy the hell out of me.

  1. He will hide 9 year olds iPad to test if she will come and hug me in the morning because she “loves” me or because she wants the iPad.
  2. He used to go into DD1s room to hide her laptop as DD1 tend to give her laptop for DD2 to play minecraft. So when he is at work and DD1 needs to do work on laptop we can’t find it. I lost my shit about that so that is the only thing that stopped. And similar he hides DD1s iPad for same reason. But still always come and moan at me that she’s on it when he walks past there bedroom.
  3. He will come and tell me every single time if DD2 is on her iPad or on her sisters gadgets. Every single time. I’ve got screen time on from 9am to 6pm and sometimes extend it depending on if she’s been doing other stuff all day and not been on her iPad. But even though it’s available to use all day she’s limited to 2hrs app time. So if she’s been 2hrs non stop on there she cannot continue on it unless she asks me.
  4. Brushing of teeth: every single night after I’ve kissed them whether they’ve come downstairs or I’ve gone up and told them get ready for bed i.e. pjs on and teeth. He will shout up brush your teeth. He will then pretend to go to the toilet to go and feel if their toothbrushes are wet. And go on and on if one of the girls happened to not have done it.
  5. He now also during lockdown go in every morning and put their toothbrushes in a particular position to see if they’ve moved it. If it hasn’t moved it proofs that they haven’t yet again brush their teeth. And use it against them for something. Every bloody time. Most of the time the girls are currently especially during lockdown in their onesies. So yes tend to forget stuff like brushing their teeth as they tend to have breakfast after JoeWicks and then start school work at 10.
  6. He is constantly onto DD1 about showering. It’s lockdown. Most of the time she finds excuses right now. My thinking is she will struggle and she’ll stink if she doesn’t shower so she’s old enough to know better. He is constantly making note of when she had a shower. So I flipped last week and said what if she starts her period (she hasn’t yet) will you also be on and aware of it all the time. I would have hated that if I was her age.
  7. DD2 is working downstairs as she’s only 9 and DD1 in her own room. Every now and then he will come downstairs and if DD2 is doing anything remotely that doesn’t look school work related he will make comments and reference to it or “questioning” if we are actually doing school work.
  8. Bed time: for years my girls slept 7pm to 7am. Until I started to feel sorry for them as I know their friends sleep later. 2 years ago that was extended to 8pm. Now I personally don’t mind if it’s 8:30 to 9 during term time for DD2 and 9-10 for DD1. Its lockdown so I honestly would not have been all that bothered. But whether it’s normal school days or weekends or holidays he is constantly moaning about bed time. Saying he needs his alone time and chill out time. He goes to bed at 9:15. So most evenings I’m there on my own. I have always been the type of parent who had a 7-7 bedtime routine but flexible with my girls as youngsters so if we were heading to a playgroup or meeting a friend and they fell asleep on their way I’d still go as they’ll sleep in pushchair or they’d fall asleep on their way home but I could always lift them out of pushchair and put them asleep into their cot with no make ups. Their dad was a massive asshole but my girls were very good babies/children.
  9. He hates it when the girls come in for cuddles in the morning as he doesn’t believe kids belong in their parents bedroom let alone if he isn’t there. But will quite happily like a photo of my friend who has 3 kids and her partner who has 2 kids and her having all 5 on her bed.
Please tell me that I have every reason to lose my shit. My biggest worry is my eldest is almost a teenager and she’s going to have friends in and out of our house or want to stay up even later. The girls love him and id hate for them to be older and resent him when he does such a lot for them. But they’d end up resenting him as he behaves like a snitch. Every single time when they are doing stuff that’s very small he runs to me. Every every time. So AIBU to tell him to just bloody stop it and enjoy this age and stage the girls are at as they really are not difficult kids. Please help!
OP posts:
NicLondon1 · 11/05/2020 22:28

Agree with all the above; far too authoritarian, obsessive, stalkerish, devious, manipulative, borderline abusive and very emotionally damaging - they will learn to constantly watch their backs and be obedient to authoritarian men.

It also made me worried about YOU - does he control you at all..? Are you allowed any freedoms or is giving you a schedule and restrictions to your life...? Does he check up on you too..?

If this about his obsession with them (in which case, yes it could be leading to grooming sadly or at the least a very inappropriate obsession), or does he enjoy the control of everybody in the house?

Have you all been suckered in by his charm and are not seeing him for what he is...?

ConnieDoodle · 11/05/2020 22:29

An adult male keeping tabs on the showing of a 12 year old girl is massively worrying, even if ignoring everything else.

tootiredtospeak · 11/05/2020 22:29

I think he either has some issues or thinks your a shit parent that isnt monitoring screen time enough and getting them to shower and brush their teeth.

copycopypaste · 11/05/2020 22:29

It's not normal behaviour op

Bluntness100 · 11/05/2020 22:29

So what are you going to do about it op?

MawnyStannit · 11/05/2020 22:29

I think he’s grooming them, and you. You need to fucking wake up and protect your children.

JudyCoolibar · 11/05/2020 22:31

8 pm was too early for your 12 year old to be going to bed anyway, so irrespective of lockdown that needed to be extended. Of course, that process will continue so his moans about bedtime can only get worse.

converseandjeans · 11/05/2020 22:31

Agree with everyone else - he is weird and has no right to check on what your girls are up to like that. He's controlling all of you. You need to get him out the house. I also wouldn't be letting him take the girls out on his own in the car.

lyralalala · 11/05/2020 22:31

He’s absolutely obsessive with them.

The divide he’s trying to cause between you - testing your 9yos love for you and telling tales to you so that you explode at them - is so blatant

I’m not one for jumping on the ltb bandwagon because it’s not as easy as people often say on here, but he needs to be away from your children

You’ve put your foot down massively, you’ve been to one counselling session and he’s still doing it. He has no interest in changing.

Is he controlling over your life?

Does he test your love for your kids to them?

SodaSloth · 11/05/2020 22:32

Scary.. To think you are living like this, he moves the toothbrushes to see if they are being used.. Fuck him off, controlling or what.. Soundsike that film with Harvey keitel (think it was him) and the Julia Roberts.. Cans of food facing a certain way, towels on rail a certain way

fruitbrewhaha · 11/05/2020 22:32

*Perhaps your daughter already stinks and he is trying to stop her from being the smelly kid at school

Jesus.*

OK, maybe I didn't put that very well. But I have a 10 year old soap dodger, and I do have to tell her to wash, she's not massively smelly, but can get a bit wiffy. I reckon in another 2 years with some hormones raging she will get stinky if she carries on with the same frequency.

Maybe I'm trying to read between the lines too much? Or maybe she does need to wash more often, he can smell her and wants her, for her own good, to keep on top of it.

It's just reads to me that OP is very relaxed about stuff and perhaps he isn't abnormal to think it's a good idea to brush teeth and wash.

LochJessMonster · 11/05/2020 22:34

I don’t think this is LTB territory. Sounds like lockdown and being constantly in each other’s faces is bringing out irritations.

He needs to relax about the screen time, you have set limits and that is fine.
He needs to also understand that bedtimes are different at the moment.

They do need to be brushing their teeth though and regularly showering.

All these ‘tests’ are a bit ott.

JudyCoolibar · 11/05/2020 22:35

Your partner's behaviour is going to push your children into deliberate deceit. I suspect they've already learnt to wet their toothbrushes and move them even if they haven't done their teeth.

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/05/2020 22:35

I was watched and scrutinised but not as badly as this as a child and by my mother. She monitored my periods and much more. It destroys your self esteem. I had no concept of my boundaries or that I had any personal rights. I needed years of intensive therapy and it took decades to find someone to put me straight.

I am another one saying your post makes me feel. I remember how I felt. Once when I was 17, one of my brothers came into my bedroom without knocking. I had just had a shower and was naked. He must have known this. I wanted him to leave the room but didn’t know how to get him out. My first concern was to prevent my mother from hearing or finding out because I knew I would have been to blame.

This is the sort of thing I’m talking about. Blamed for things out of their control. Not knowing who is responsible for what. Not knowing how to stop someone acting predatorily or perhaps how fend for themselves with nuisance or dangerous males.

This man is monitoring girls. It would be interesting to note if he would monitor boys in the same way. My brother certainly wasn’t monitored in this way. Even if this man doesn’t pose a sexual risk, which is something you cannot determine, YOU are allowing him to teach them that men are more powerful and in control of women.

Please get him out of their lives. They would be better to not do the activities. Learn to drive if you can. See if any of the other parents could give your girls lifts to the activities.

HuggedTheRedwoods · 11/05/2020 22:36

Weird and creepy.

This. Please protect your daughters from this man.

RhymesWithOrange · 11/05/2020 22:39

Weird, creepy, bullying. Sorry. I'd end it. You sound exhausted by his behaviour.

LEELULUMPKIN · 11/05/2020 22:39

He sounds a right creep and I wouldn't have my kids anywhere near him.

Cherrysoup · 11/05/2020 22:39

Are you going to wait until he’s checking how many used tampons your 12yo has put in the bin, and quizzes her on why it’s not the number year he deems correct, before you STOP HIM?

Yes, yes. Weird, obsessive and preventing them coming for morning cuddles??

He’s creepy and weird.

Elieza · 11/05/2020 22:39

So let’s examine the facts.

He’s in and out their rooms

Appears obsessed with their hygiene.

Disappears to a bedroom while they are in bed while you are potentially out of earshot in another room.

Makes a big thing about not having kids in his bed even when you are there.

None of that is normal. I suspect foul play. Is he really in his own bedroom? Can you hear the floor or bed etc creak so you know he’s not gone up early to sneak into their rooms?

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I think you need to speak to the kids and see if there is anything else going on.

It could be he just really cares. I don’t know. I wouldn’t just ignore it though.

UnprodigalDaughter · 11/05/2020 22:41

How do you not have the ick with all of this? It's creepy as fuck and just... Ugh.

Deep down, you have alarm bells. You don't need to be grateful for anyone loving you and your girls - that's what comes through. That you are grateful to him for taking you on. Fuck that. Why shouldn't he be expected to get them a Christmas present if you've invited him in the family.

Bleh. He gives me the creeps

Doowop20 · 11/05/2020 22:41

Do you think he would be the same if you had boys?

Redshoeblueshoe · 11/05/2020 22:41

8 is very early for a 12 year old to be going to bed. He shouldn't be going in their bedrooms.
He sounds really creepy.

LEELULUMPKIN · 11/05/2020 22:42

@SodaSloth It was "Sleeping with the Enemy" Julia Roberts and Patrick Bergin

watermelonpink1 · 11/05/2020 22:43

@Elieza I just thought this ! He wants them in bed early ... he goes to bed early ... he's also trying to come between you all and bullying what they are doing and monitoring everything .... forgive me for saying out loud , could he be going in their rooms while your downstairs and being a weirdo ... the bullying my brother his control of keeping them in line to not saying anything. My son loved my avusive ex .... until I left , it's was being terrified and sucking up to him to stop him being nasty to him !!

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/05/2020 22:44

Oh and my dd is almost 12. In lockdown I’m not getting het up about the screen time issue. She is on it too much. Normally she’d be with friends. She’s an only child and has a lot of sleepovers with friends. On a school night she’s in bed maybe 9/9.30. In lockdown it’s 10.30 and at the weekend it’s midnightish. I’m in bed. She’s either FaceTiming friends, watching a film by herself or with dh.

She has recently started her period. Her second period seemed to come very quickly after the first. I told her I am making a note of the dates. I am doing this for her health for there is nothing wrong with monitoring things for the right reasons. I have checked dds toothbrush from time to time if I happened to be in the bathroom just after she had gone to bed. She is a sod for not cleaning her teeth. And fibs about it if I ask her only because once she’s got comfy in bed she doesn’t want to move. This is for her health and parenting rather than controlling her.

For me this is very different from your examples. I would never hide other peoples property.

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