Meghan Markle story time

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Posting here for the traffic and so this is read by a diverse pool of people - not just royal fans...

I really like Meghan Markle and I admire her for carving her own way and being a feminist in her choices. I like that she waited after the birth for photos and spoke up about the metoo movement etc.

As much as I like Duchess of Cambridge, I don’t think she does anything to advance women. She seems to do what is expected of her which people love but which I find awful. She has a responsibility as a role model for young women but yet Seems to be the perfect, painfully thin, upper class wife that does as she is told, rarely speaks and is every sexist, wealthy, white man’s dream.

I’m a little lost as to why people seem to be pro Kate and anti Meghan. Is it because Kate is what all middle class women aspire to be in England. Doing as one is told ? Being a softly spoken English lady that wears tweed and frolics in the country while her husband is on a boys ski trip etc etc

Have we all forgot about feminism ?

Elizabeth I never married because her husband would automatically have become king over her head

Utter rubbish, a husband would only be the queen’s consort not the king. Elizabeth chose not to marry and ruled the country very successfully for 45 years. She did that in the C16th in an age of men. How is that sexist?

Victoria did nothing without her husband’s approval

^^Also rubbish. She was a strong woman and after Albert’s death Victoria ruled for another 40 years!

Where to start on your equally ignorant lambast of Kate? Barely articulate! Kate’s got a 2:1 from St Andrew’s University. She’s a working royal and mother of 3 young children.

Perhaps if you got your facts straight @ MarieIVanArkleStinks you might not feel quite so bitter and angry?

yes, or photos in the hospital or at home soon afterwards. I appreciate many may think I’m unreasonable for thinking that doing the trad/expected thing would have been nice.

It's only been a tradition since Diana, and it's been written about how much she hated doing it. It's disgusting to think that you own a woman's body when she has just given birth. "We pay for her so she has to do what we say." Remind you of anything else?

Better to put up and shut up and let the storm pass. I do agree that nobody ought to have to put up with that treatment but the RF do not control the press.

How long do you think she should take the abuse for? It's been years already. The RF don't control the press but they chose not to post the topless pics of Catherine and they chose not to post about William's alleged affair.

I don’t agree; but the media certainly didn’t treat Meghan well.

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal

I like the one where William and Catherine are protecting their brand but Harry and Meghan are cashing in.

It's disgusting to think that you own a woman's body when she has just given birth. "We pay for her so she has to do what we say." Remind you of anything else?

That’s a bit strong. To be honest I don’t really subscribe to the ‘we pay for them’ line of thinking and I certainly don’t think I own anyone’s body. I just thought it would have been nice to have some photos and thought it was a bit churlish that the Sussexes seemed to make a bit of a song & dance about not doing it. It’s really not a huge deal.

What’s wrong with Kate being slim ?? Plenty of women who have children are thin, they may have to be careful with what they eat, exercise, etc but nothing wrong with that. Kate’s mum and sister are slim also.

Just because some women pile on the pounds and keep them after having children doesn’t mean that all women should.

All the nonsense about Kate ‘having’ to pose for photos on the way home from hospital - how difficult is that really? Hairdresser comes to hospital to fix hair, nice dress at the ready, wheelchair from room to hospital door, max three minutes standing on steps and then straight into car waiting a few meters away and home to bed.

The public gets to see baby and that’s it, out of public eye for a few months.

It's only been a tradition since Diana, and it's been written about how much she hated doing it. It's disgusting to think that you own a woman's body when she has just given birth. "We pay for her so she has to do what we say." Remind you of anything else?

Absolutely this. I’m appalled that people have this expectation. It’s terrifyingly misogynistic.

I just thought it would have been nice to have some photos and thought it was a bit churlish that the Sussexes seemed to make a bit of a song & dance about not doing it. It’s really not a huge deal.

If someone on here doesn't want their child on SM or wants a few days alone, everyone agrees and says it's the child's right to privacy etc. Meghan and Harry have every right not to have their newborn child splashed everywhere.

In the book Call Me Diana by Nigel Cawthorne, Princess Diana recalls the moment she introduced Prince William to the world in 1982.

“When I left the hospital, I could barely put one foot in front of the other. My stitches were killing me. It was such a strain to stand there and smile even just for a few minutes.”

She went on: “As soon as the car disappeared around the corner out of sight of the photographers, I burst into tears.”

If Elizabeth I had married there is every precedent to conclude he would have become at least de facto King, and in all probablility King Consort. And the power such a position would have wielded is sufficient to assume a shared power and claim to the throne, not least significant interference from abroad. Cf. Mary Queen of Scots' husband, a King Consort who came very close to a shared power, also Bloody Mary's marriage to the Spanish King Phillip who then became known as the King of England. That a misogynistic society and a misogynistic monarchy should have existed in the 1500s isn't altogether surprising: the fact that it's still misogynistic in the 2000s and reduces women to little more than wax mannequins is something which should raise eyebrows. Interesting that QE is popular through longevity and the very well-advised talent of knowing when to keep her mouth shut. Even more interesting that it's a precedent her male relatives see no need to follow.

As for Victoria, well it would be a little difficult to defer to a husband once he was dead, wouldn't it? Clearly it was a reference to a 'living' husband although I'd have thought that disclaimer hardly necessary ...

As for the personal comments directed at me in the above post, those I'll see fit to ignore

I just thought it would have been nice to have some photos

You got your photos. You just didn’t get a woman posing for your amusement right after giving birth.

@DillyDilly

In the book Call Me Diana by Nigel Cawthorne, Princess Diana recalls the moment she introduced Prince William to the world in 1982.

“When I left the hospital, I could barely put one foot in front of the other. My stitches were killing me. It was such a strain to stand there and smile even just for a few minutes.”

She went on: “As soon as the car disappeared around the corner out of sight of the photographers, I burst into tears.”

It's disgusting to think that you own a woman's body when she has just given birth. "We pay for her so she has to do what we say." Remind you of anything else?

The announcement of when they've gone into labour is also appallingly sexist and intrusive. That is not a piece of information I'd want the whole country sharing - it's grim - and there's absolutely no need for it. An announcement when the kid arrives is more than sufficient to satisfy public interest. I say kudos to Meghan for dodging that particular indignity and don't blame her one iota.

Even in the 5 minute clip where Harry and Meghan first showed the baby, the comments on here were vicious.

She was wearing a white dress.
Her shoes were too high.
She was hanging onto Harry.
The bump was fake/there was a surrogate.
Why was he the one holding the baby?
They didn't show enough of the baby's face.

On and on.

I want to state that I don’t think for one second that Meghan has been treated fairly by the press, as I said I’m not a fan of hers nor do I admire her but the press have been unfair.
My previous comments were in relation to @MouthBreathingRage’s comments which insinuated that the press and/or the British public in general hounded her or dislike her because she is mixed race. Or that anyone who disliked her was racist.

That is utter bollocks. The royals (and most celebrities) are scrutinised in the press, just because she’s not white doesn’t make her immune from this, nor does it mean anyone who disagrees with her public persona a racist.

It’s ridiculous to imply that.

You got your photos. You just didn’t get a woman posing for your amusement right after giving birth.

Fair enough. I really don’t think it’s a big deal, I understand if others think it is and the reasons why.

which insinuated that the press and/or the British public in general hounded her or dislike her because she is mixed race.

Mixed race, not white, not English, not from the right background, an actress, from a broken family and more reasons why the British media took an instant dislike to her. Also, yes most people’s dislike of her has more than a hint of dog-whistle racism, xenophobia and media-fulled baseless opinions on ‘what she’s like’.

@LaurieMarlow I meant throwing a toddler tantrum against the family she chose to marry into, refusing their help by assuming she knew best (which ultimately made it worse for herself... for example advice about their use of private jets whilst condemning others for flying on planes) etc.

Standing up the press is fine, it was the way she did it and the fact that she was happy to marry into a family that she knew came with such huge obligations.

They were happy to have the public wedding, use tax payers money for home renovations etc but then snubbed the queen and made huge public announcements about rejecting their duties before having their courtesy to let the senior royals know.

Be under no illusion, it’s not just Megan people are annoyed with, it’s Harry too.

It’s ridiculous to imply that.

The evidence, a link to which has now been posted twice, implies very much that.

and there's absolutely no need for it

Absolutely. I’ve seen quite a few on here yet their knickers in a twist over this, but why the hell would anyone have a right to know when someone’s in labour? And what difference would it make to you? The mind boggles.

Oh @MouthBreathingRage you’re loving crying racism. You won’t hear another point of you, it must must must be because she has brown skin.
Of course people couldn’t just dislike the hypocrisy in her’s and her husband’s actions, they couldn’t possibly be annoyed that their behaviour has been seen has a huge snub to the uk and the senior royals.

It simply must because she’s brown
It’s the ONLY possible explanation for people not admiring her.

point of view*

for example advice about their use of private jets whilst condemning others for flying on planes) etc.

They all use private jets and lecture others on climate change.

Is the palace advising them all against this or only H&M?

Be under no illusion, it’s not just Megan people are annoyed with, it’s Harry too.

Actually I don’t think that’s true.

Harry got away with a fuck tonne before he married the mixed race woman.

People have only brought Harry into the argument because they know how bad it looks if they keep harping on about Meghan only.

They all use private jets and lecture others on climate change

No they don’t, not to the extent where Harry and Meghan were. You’re being ridiculous now.
Show me one tweet / press interview where the other royals have specifically called out the use of aeroplanes like H&M did?

It’s the same as when the press turned on Bono for rallying against the extra runway at Heathrow whilst in the same week chartering a private jet to fly his favourite hat back to him
People get annoyed by shit like that, nothing to do with race.

They were happy to have the public wedding, use tax payers money for home renovations etc

Like all the royals then ...

but then snubbed the queen and made huge public announcements about rejecting their duties before having their courtesy to let the senior royals know.

Weren’t they about to be rumbled by the Sun (or similar?) Thats certainly what I heard.

It’s the ONLY possible explanation for people not admiring her.

The venomous media campaign against Meghan started long before she married Harry. She never stood a chance to win public favour when she was constantly compared unfavourably to Kate from the start. It’s not always about her race, but every part of her background has been used negatively against her at some point. Is she a perfect model of humanity and values? No, but no celeb is. Has the vitriol against her been excessive, with more than a hint of underlying racism? Absolutely. Anyone who can’t see that is native at very best.