Meghan Markle story time

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Posting here for the traffic and so this is read by a diverse pool of people - not just royal fans...

I really like Meghan Markle and I admire her for carving her own way and being a feminist in her choices. I like that she waited after the birth for photos and spoke up about the metoo movement etc.

As much as I like Duchess of Cambridge, I don’t think she does anything to advance women. She seems to do what is expected of her which people love but which I find awful. She has a responsibility as a role model for young women but yet Seems to be the perfect, painfully thin, upper class wife that does as she is told, rarely speaks and is every sexist, wealthy, white man’s dream.

I’m a little lost as to why people seem to be pro Kate and anti Meghan. Is it because Kate is what all middle class women aspire to be in England. Doing as one is told ? Being a softly spoken English lady that wears tweed and frolics in the country while her husband is on a boys ski trip etc etc

Have we all forgot about feminism ?

How is it feminist to keep insisting that while you have given up your royal duties you hold a hereditary title (which you did f all to obtain)? And go on and on about in every statement how your husband and son remain in the line of succession. (Of a country that was too racist to bring your child up in?!)
And how is it feminist to live off a handout from your father in law?

*criticism

Very apt username by the way.

Odd comment, how so?

I'm sorry when did I say that?

You suggested she only stayed in a ‘London bubble’ and didn’t do engagements in other parts of the country.

The other royals are useless as well, they all settle for the easy 'work' of tweeting and taking photos of their kids.

Yes but the key point is they don’t get the abuse Meghan has had about it. Kate gets absolutely fawned over every time she releases a picture of her children. Meghan releases a video of Archie, and look where we are. Again.

As for Serena that is when they met but is there any evidence of an actual friendship?

Don’t twist yourself. You said that someone like Serena wouldn’t look at Meghan without her royal connection. Two seconds of googling instantly disproves that.

Btw I think Kate is dull as f. But Meghan is no feminist icon either. One doesn’t make up for the other.

Also. She didn’t stand up to the press. She is the same as Di. She has moved to paparazzi land and has apparently collaborated with a book about her brief foray into royalty.

I would have much more respect for her (and them) if they actually gave it all up. Gave up every title, every royal perk, pulled out of the line of succession, didn’t take money from Charles, paid back for Frogmore (which they promised but hasn’t happened) and went off to LA and lived whatever life they wanted. Earning their own money or living off the 30-40 million they have in their bank. Except that in LA that barely pays for a house and a year’s worth of security. Barely.

Even the video for little Archies birthday. Meg appointed herself in the star role.

@MouthBreathingRage I don't know, I'm just imagining all your posts said in an angry mouth breathing way!

I'm sure she did a few engagements outside London, but not many and not that far away. Unless you can show me otherwise? I believe the vast majority were in London.

I do agree the criticism of Meghan is disproportionate compared to Kate and I said that above.

As for Serena you only proved their paths crossed once. Is there any evidence of a friendship between them before Meghan joined the royal family?

Even the video for little Archies birthday. Meg appointed herself in the star role.

Fucking hell. I really cannot comprehend the thought process that goes into spouting this bollocks.

Kate is at least not even pretending to be something she isn’t. She hasn’t portrayed herself as anything other than a Home Counties girl lucky enough to marry a prince, lead a charmed life and produce three children and carry out the odd engagement.

And if we are being feminist then we should 100% support those choices, shouldn’t we? What’s wrong with getting married and essentially being a SAHM?

I think the media btw was as racist and sexist as it comes to Meghan. But that doesn’t make HER a feminist icon or mean that her actions are beyond reproach. The media was sexist. And her actions don’t match her words (they wanted to collaborate with the Queen about the Commonwealth and carry out royal duties, give up the Sovereign Grant but wanted security as per their very first statement). I found it all quite hypocritical. So it’s entirely possible to find the media treatment of her racist AND to find H&M’s general behaviour fairly hypocritical. The two are not mutually incompatible.

I admire her for carving her own way and being a feminist in her choices

She’s the absolute opposite of a feminist. Neither is she a humanitarian.

Agreed.

yet Seems to be the perfect, painfully thin, upper class wife that does as she is told, rarely speaks and is every sexist, wealthy, white man’s dream

YABVU and racist . HTH

I think all of you precious darlings need to allow me to have a conversation about feminism and the royal family

Nobody needs to allow you to do anything , nobody is stopping you but you are making a tit of yourself

Unless you can show me otherwise?

I’ve googled enough easy to find information for you. Perhaps start looking up your own information, that way you may actually learn something instead of spouting assumptions.

As for Serena you only proved their paths crossed once. Is there any evidence of a friendship between them before Meghan joined the royal family?

Again, a search suggests they were in contact for years before she invited Serena to her wedding. How close they were, I don’t know but it would be rather bloody creepy if I knew that really. I suggest you get your Google fixed.

Once you do, you can google what ‘mouth breathing’ actually is as well.

Even the video for little Archies birthday. Meg appointed herself in the star role.

What?

Meghan the feminist:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=pFKleWOhehs

Even the video for little Archies birthday. Meg appointed herself in the star role.

Fuck sake, was Archie supposed to read the story himself or something?

Even the video for little Archies birthday. Meg appointed herself in the star role.

@Viviennemary

Oh yes! How DARE that mother read to her son on his first birthday!! Tsk tsk!!

I’ll put ‘reading to her son on his birthday’ on the long, long list of ridiculous shit this woman has been criticised for.

Even the video for little Archies birthday. Meg appointed herself in the star role.

Was Archie supposed to read the story himself or something? Not gonna lie, that'd be impressive if he could do that at one year old. Do some of you even read the utter claptrap you spout on here?

I don't know either of these woman personally so won't be commenting on anything around what they are like to be around. I do think that being married to a direct heir to the throne and producing three subsequent heirs probably puts you in a different position (and maybe a different perspective) in terms of how you are seen by the public to someone who is highly unlikely to ever be in that position or need to take that into account. We should also keep in mind that there is a current head of the family and one more sitting waiting before William & Catherine get near the throne which may also have an impact. Anyone ever tried to change the way a job is done when you aren't the manager and there are two managers above you?

I've never liked the idea of woman dictating whether someone is a feminist based on based how they dress, their weight or anything else based on their appearance so that's a non starter for me in terms of debate.

In the end though, they are two different people with the same genitalia who may have different opinions and approaches. I KNOW! Shock horror that one gender doesn't all think the same on all issues.I would like to hope that they and their respective partners have chosen the right path for them and their families and any external things that they may which to consider as important to them. You know, the same way most people do in their lives. My sisters-in-law and I are very different people who manage their lives in very different ways but, thankfully, the world doesn't feel like that means they can judge me from afar.

Ah well I've said my piece, basically I dont like kate or meghan or the media, you don't have to take sides, it's all a very grey area ✌

@hamsterian

Ooh that's hard to watch

Sexism in the Royal Family? Isn't the Queen a woman? I seem to remember something about a Elizabeth I and a Victoria too.

Indeed. Elizabeth I never married because her husband would automatically have become king over her head. Victoria did nothing without her husband's approval. As for Elizabeth II, by all accounts she defers to her husband as 'head' of their family and has put up for decades with the philandering he never even bothered to keep a secret.

I've seen Meghan torn a new one for not walking 3 paces behind her husband, entering a room before him and for speaking first. (Yes, really). The expectations of women in that family are very clear: maintain no independent existence, look pretty and keep quiet. When they don't all hell breaks broken loose (cf. Diana).

As for Kate, where to start? A 'kept' woman, justifiably criticised for her laziness, no independent existence, lived off her parents and later her husband. Never worked and reached middle age having done nothing worthy of note. Is a mere adjunct to her husband. Is barely articulate. Is 'dressed' by Windsor advisors like some live doll. In the event of a divorce, will not retain residency of her children and will probably never spend Christmas with them again. Would be left qualified for nothing and completely ill-equipped to survive in the adult, working world. Even in the happiest of marriages it can't be healthy to hand this amount of power to one person. Merely reading about her life depresses me; hers has to be one of the least enviable existences in the whole of the developed world.

The monarchy is one of the most sexist institutions going. They can keep it. Pity the country has to do likewise.

Why does Mumsnet allow this constant stream of drivel dripping away at the same women all the time? There's a whole hidden corner you can froth about Meghan to your heart's content - why disingenuously start this as well?

Do you mean standing in a pretty dress outside the hospital hours after giving birth? yes, or photos in the hospital or at home soon afterwards. I appreciate many may think I’m unreasonable for thinking that doing the trad/expected thing would have been nice.
Why should they put up with things they aren't happy with? because that’s life and it’s part of the job. Everyone knows that being part of the RF brings huge privilege and also some pretty bloody awful restrictions.

she should put up and shut up? up to a point. The racism and the unpleasantness from the press was awful. But expecting the RF to change their approach, to fight back, whatever - naive. Better to put up and shut up and let the storm pass. I do agree that nobody ought to have to put up with that treatment but the RF do not control the press.

They ran away? Or did they leave the country to avoid the barrage of abuse? Again, should they have just accepted the harassment from the newspapers? They moved from Harry's family to be closer to her family.. They ran away, ultimately to the paparazzi capital of the world.

No privacy, strict rules where you get punished for breaking them, everything you do being watched, no freedom. £££, living in beautiful houses, couture clothes, private planes, holidays on private islands, the opportunity to do a lot of good, to support charities and causes, to meet world leaders, to be a role model - it’s a trade off, it’s a job, and one that Meghan took on.

there were MANY examples where they did the EXACT same thing as William and/or Catherine but were treated completely differently by the media. I don’t agree; but the media certainly didn’t treat Meghan well. However if she’d just got on with some useful and worthy work they’d have got tired of criticising her. It’s not fair, it’s not right, that the papers etc are so cruel. But that’s how they are. They won’t change because people are upset or demand they stop.

@MarieIVanArkleStinks you've hit the nail on the head!

@MarieIVanArkleStinks Spot on!

The bottom line is Kate is the type of woman to tolerate quietly so long as she gets her place in society.

Meghan strikes me, as perhaps a woman who wants a bit more for herself and will not tolerate the ill treatment and vitriol that comes her way. She is vilified because she dared to fight back, lets be honest she is the first in that institution to simply refuse to be subject to it. Good for her!!