To not download the contact tracing app

[Ghostlyglow]

When it becomes available. How many people will?

If the government and PPs are insistent about about everyone having this app then they can buy me a smartphone and pay the fees for it. I'm not wasting what little money I have on something I neither want nor need.

If we follow South Korea, you needed to be using the app to gain access to public buildings and venues as well as transport. So, you may be able to refuse to download it but then find access to shops or buses etc denied.

Threads like this show exactly why we couldn't follow some other countries lockdown etc as many keep comparing because people here aren't all willing to have apps on phones etc and follow such strict rules

Just hope all those saying they wouldn't download the app aren't the ones moaning why we haven't followed South Korea etc

trappedsincesundaymorn - well according to Mumsnet you are only allowed to shop for the essentials. A smartphone isn’t essential! Think of all the people you are murdering by stepping outside!

But at the same time - you can’t not have the app or you will murder people.

How are you linking viral transmission and downloading an app now? We’re an island on the other side of the world. Stopping it from getting here should have been easy, especially after the warning time we had.

I can’t believe that people think it would be a good thing if people without the sacred app are banned from leaving their homes.

*I read in another thread on here that the contract was given to a friend of Dominic Cummings

If that is true that’s a good enough reason to not download it*

That's one of the reasons I won't be downloading it.The other is my generaI unease about privacy. I don't have FB because I don't like the idea of my personal info being out in the ether and after the Cambridge Analytica hoo-ha I feel entirely vindicated in that. I don't allow apps to know my location and if I need to use Google maps I do it on my work phone and turn it off again afterwards.

DP won't download it either. He has a dumbphone!

I definitely won't be downloading it!

Because we can see how well it has worked in South Korea.

To we need to arrest anyone who doesn't download the app ?

I didn't say that. [] Calling them selfish fuckers that are conspiracy nuts will do. South Korea did so well using an app, it's common sense.

Well, you've called me a selfish fucker and a conspiracy nut, and for some reason if I wasn't inclined to download this "app" an hour ago, I and even less inclined now. You may wish to reflect on your strategy.

Incidentally, you might wish to familiarise yourself with the South Korean "app" and see if you think it's in any way shape or form equivalent to the dogs breakfast I know the UK will be serving.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

In March 2018, Reuters reported that restrictions on citizens and businesses with low Social Credit ratings, and thus low trustworthiness, would come into effect on May 1.[72][73] By May 2018, several million flight and high-speed train trips had been denied to people who had been blacklisted.[27]

Starting 2016, twenty-five types of residents' behavior will cost a drop in their credit scores, including cheating in online video games, making reservations at hotels or restaurants but not showing up, failing to pay cellphone bills promptly, failing to pick up take-out foods ordered, etc.[34][40] On the other hand, making blood donations or doing volunteer work may boost one's score.

You don’t clap for carers? Celebrate VE Day? Don’t download the app?

Then be banned from leaving your home, I bet loads of people on here would LOVE a system like that. We’ve seen the glee in which neighbours are “reported” and how other posters “literally sob and shake” if people pick up some chocolate in a supermarket.

Truly, this plac does my head in.

Before lockdown there was thread after thread of people baying for lockdown, but government resisted because, they said, people wouldn't tolerate it for long.

Now, we have thread after thread of people screaming to end lockdown because they just can't bear it anymore.

Now government is suggesting that maybe lockdown could be eased if we agree to using tracing apps, but nope. That's not acceptable.

What do you all want to happen? Just open the doors, get back to normal and turn a blind eye to thousands dying?

South Korea's contact tracing system is incredibly invasive of privacy. It doesn't just use an app with Bluetooth, it logs GPS traces, CCTV footage and credit card records to build up a database of precisely where everybody has been. You have to have GPS enabled on your phone, and you have to allow the app to transmit that data to the government. And they solve the problem of people without smartphones by simply forbidding anyone to leave home without the app. Could we do the same here?

Technically, of course. But that level of compulsion simply isn't possible under current UK law, EU law (which we are still bound by during the transition period) and the European Charter of Human Rights (which we are still signatories to). Any attempt to impose it would crumble under the first legal challenge.

All apps collect data, signing up to Mumsnet collects data, Google collects data, your Tesco club card collects data this will actually save lives so yea I will be downloading it

BirdieFriendReturns

We have a responsibility within the social contract. If you don't want to uphold your responsibility in keeping others safe why should you expect to enjoy freedoms that risk other people's health?

Why, for example, should you be allowed to board a bus, if you can't show your risk to others is low?

Nobody is making you read Mumsnet Hearhoovesthinkzebras if it does your head in. I get that you are bored and miserable as you are shielding but there are over forums available!

Incidentally, if you are shielding you won’t be having any contact with others will you? So what’s the point in you having the app?

I will and I’ll use it without hesitation because it will help stop this virus.

I cannot understand people’s fear of this app when they freely use the Facebook app, walk through constant CCTV surveillance in towns, own a phone that is constantly triangulating between masts and regularly feed in their own information online via social media, search engines etc.

Get a grip and take off your tin foil hat.

BirdieFriendReturns

I know it's a dilemma alright...do I kill an old lady buy venturing out my bunker to by something I don't consider "essential", or kill her buy not downloading an essential app on my non-essential phone?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras - what do you suggest if people have no smartphone and no money to buy one?

I think it’s terrifying how many of you want to walk into a dystopian world. It won’t just stop with this app.

Oh and I haven’t taken a bus in years.

I cannot understand people’s fear of this app when they freely use the Facebook app, walk through constant CCTV surveillance in towns, own a phone that is constantly triangulating between masts and regularly feed in their own information online via social media, search engines etc.

That's because you can't understand mission creep.

Incidentally, if you are shielding you won’t be having any contact with others will you? So what’s the point in you having the app?

We have no idea what the plans for shielded people are after this initial twelve weeks.

If I have to go out to the hospital or drs I want to know if I have been exposed.

Similarly, my dh has to go out. He needs to know if he's been exposed.

I don’t have social media, I use a torrent and VPN on the internet. I don’t take my phone out with me that often either.

trappedsincesundaymorn - either way, Mumsnet will condemn you! That’s how it works here.

what do you suggest if people have no smartphone and no money to buy one?

Maybe you'll be issued with a basic one by government?

Don't use it if you don't want to. I don't think you should then have the right to infect others though.