To not download the contact tracing app

[Ghostlyglow]

When it becomes available. How many people will?

“Have the right to infect”???
Who brought it here??

Hearhoovesthinkzebras - well I’m still going to work, going for walks and to the shops etc.

Without the app.

Some random comments on Mumsnet aren’t going to stop me.

And nobody can answer my question: how do I buy a phone if Mumsnetters tell me I’m only allowed to go to the shops every two weeks? If milk isn’t essential (use cheese instead!) how can buying a phone be essential?

Yet if I don’t get a phone I’m murdering people too.

So either way I’m murdering people according to Mumsnet.

Yes I would

South Korea have been able to get manage a lot better because of their testing and the use of technology not the public using their common sense

So either way I’m murdering people according to Mumsnet.

Some of whom will quite happily go driving (because I have to) in their car and pump pollution into the atmosphere which we know kills thousands of people a year ....

But, heigh ho

No

I won't be downloading it

1. If it had been the google/Apple version I'd have considered it

1. I don't believe it will help

1. My battery would last about half an hour

(If A&b were different I'd willingly carry battery packs though)

Anyone saying I don't care if they track me🤷🏻‍♀️ I think you need to find out more about this app - it's not just about them knowing g you've been to Tesco. Honestly it's not.

BirdieFriendReturns

If they make access to shops or place of work contingent on using the app it won't be up to you.

I've seen it used in South Korea and it displays a green, red or amber light depending on risk and you show that to access places. If they do that you'll have to decide what's more important to you, I suppose.

@BirdieFriendReturns there's still a nice irony to saying you are careful about security and then post nuggets like that haha.

I've seen it used in South Korea

But we now know the South Korean "app" (and track and trace mechanism) are completely different to what is being suggested for the UK. Apples, oranges.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras

So who's going to be paying my salary if the phone goes off after I've already had to isolate for 2 weeks because the damn thing's already pinged before. How many times will I be allowed to do the isolation hokey cokey before I'm out of a job?

The principle is the same - freedoms might be greater for those willing to use the app.

People will be free to make a choice then as to whether they use it or not.

trappedsincesundaymorn

Whose paying the wages for people being shielded? Or for keeping the country in lockdown?

Some of you are behaving like toddlers. Our old way of life is gone for now. You can't just go where you want or do what you want because the virus is here and still circulating. They have to do as much as they can to suppress this infection. You can't on the one hand moan about lockdown and then on the other refuse to do something that enables lockdown to be lifted.

You really can't just think that standing there stamping your foot will eradicate the virus.

DGRoseetti - how does the South Korean app differ please?

@Mum2jenny you leave your 'mobile phone' at home when you go out? The clue is in the word MOBILE 🤦‍♀️ It's 'mobile' for the very purpose of being able to take it with you...so that should you be in a spot of bother, say, your car breaks down in a remote spot, not near a phone box, or your elderly parent needs to contact you urgently, or any number of other reasons actually...then you have your MOBILE phone to hand 👍 The fact that you cannot think of a reason to take it out with you is frankly absurd (and disingenuous)

*I’ve a friend who had a row with her workplace about being publicly listed as staff on their website.

She decided to agree and within two days the ex turned up at the office*

I'm not surprised. An ex of mine went all stalkerish on me and would do things like turn up in the public gallery at council meetings he knew I would be at because it was my job. My employer was brilliant, work was reallocated so I did different meetings, I got a space in the secure underground car park, direct line deactivated so any outside calls had to come through the switchboard etc.

Ten years later I went ballistic when in a new job, the director stuck my name and photograph on the employer's website and FB page. She couldn't understand why I wasn't thrilled.

I felt uneasy when a friend was looking at pictures of an event we were both at and there were pics of me on the FB page of some stranger from the US who'd been a spectator there. It made me feel really uncomfortable, I found it sort of intrusive.

Maybe it's a control thing. I don't want info about me out there unless I know exactly what it is, who's using it, why and what for.

Does the app take into account whether you've already had the virus? How will it work if someone is a frontline carer? The entire ICU staff will never be out of their homes again.

DGRoseetti - how does the South Korean app differ please?

I already posted ...

DG- sorry, I will go back.

Lakie - “ Maybe it's a control thing. I don't want info about me out there unless I know exactly what it is, who's using it, why and what for.”

This is perfectly reasonable and basic privacy. My friends boss didn’t take it seriously till the guy actually turned up, at which point the company remembered duty of care for staff!

I don’t really attend anything these days where my pic could end up on the internet, but I’ve been asked at work training sessions have always said no.

HaveAtEm

I don't have a mobile at all. OH has one and if I'm in the car on my own I take it with me. It's a cheap talk/text only one and doesn't have internet access, a camera or any games on it. If we go away for a weekend, we leave the phone here and give people the name of the hotel we're staying at should they need to contact us for whatever reason.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras, I think the reason for the apparently contradictory views on here are because we're a (large) collection of individuals, not a hive mind!

I get that Lakie.

I just think if you aren't willing to accept measures that are introduced to allow lockdown to be eased then you have to accept lockdown staying. You can't refuse to adopt them yourself but then ride on the coat tails of those making things safer for you.

Don't care if the government know what I do, but I would want to know what information is shared with other users. I have all my location services turned off normally too.

I want to know more about it before I download it.

how do I buy a phone if Mumsnetters tell me I’m only allowed to go to the shops every two weeks?

Odd presumption but anyway - maybe online? I've been buying phones since about 2005 and have never bought one in a shop.

I cannot understand people’s fear of this app when they freely use the Facebook app, walk through constant CCTV surveillance in towns, own a phone that is constantly triangulating between masts and regularly feed in their own information online via social media, search engines etc

I don't use FB or other SM, being on CCTV/ANPR is unavoidable, and it's very rare for me to use google other than when looking for stuff when I'm home. I don't even have my online banking on my phone, and a lot of the time my phone's actually off to save the battery, because I forget to charge it.

Not everyone is inconsistent.

You really can't just think that standing there stamping your foot will eradicate the virus.

More's the pity, or you'd have won the battle for us long ago.