To not download the contact tracing app

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When it becomes available. How many people will?

Yes definitely. Why would you not if you have a smartphone?? To me that is being deliberately obtuse.

Well, I'm cool with lockdown staying as long as is necessary, @Hearhoovesthinkzebras. I get the economic argument, but I can't prioritise money over lives.

And I think there should be better support for those struggling mentally with lockdown.

My friend runs a mental health wellbeing centre. The clients and recovery workers all support each other via Skype, Zoom etc, they have financial advice available, they're linked in with the local crisis team should that be necessary, get food parcels organised etc and they're still taking referrals for new clients. I gather this is not the same everywhere,

I'll download it and try to remember to take my phone out with me. I think the potential benefits outweigh the risks. I think it's one small way I can help in all this and that I'm probably already more tracked than I realise.

I would love to know where everyone is going they are so scared to be tracked. Hell the government can have access to all my movements if they want. I've nothing to hide . My only problem would be are we going ti be forced to self isolate for two weeks if we ping off someone on the tube. Because if that's the case I doubt I would ever be at work. I know People are saying it wouldn't ping for a once off encounter get the same tubes and trains with the same people everyday .

No chance that I will download an app with Cummings and his mates involved.

Not unless it's mandatory and proven to be effective in reducing the spread. Otherwise it's just a invasion of privacy for no benefit.

It is also reliant on people engaging and updating the app if they have symptoms. So does this mean every time someone gets a sniffle they will freak everyone that was on the same bus as them the previous week out or they won't be bothered.

How close do you need to have come to someone to have been "in contact" with them? Within the 2m distance (although keep hearing on the radio that the government are considering reducing that and that it was just a random non-scientific distance in the first place)

I would love to know where everyone is going they are so scared to be tracked. Hell the government can have access to all my movements if they want. I've nothing to hide

It's more a question of being strongarmed into installing an "app" on your phone that has access to basically ... well everything. And given the general laissez-faire attitude to data security and privacy in the UK, we know that once spaffed, there is absolutely zero comeback on anyone.

That's quite before you start considering the ways in which the next government might start using the "app" and it's every growing database. Because as this thread shows, there isn't a single example anywhere of a law not being expanded to cover everything once it's introduced.

And why do detractors have to prove anything ? Why aren't the government being held to account and asked why they haven't set up a sunset mechanism to retire the app once it's done its job ? If the government has nothing to hide, why doesn't it come out and be open and transparent ? Because when governments lie, obfuscate and generally act as if they are entitled to anything from the population, it's probably a good time to start really digging into it's actions and motives.

The government is there to serve us, not command us. And if you don't like that, then maybe make your last journey one to North Korea, where your total obedience without question will fit right in.

I won’t bother with it. It relies on Bluetooth, and I have my Bluetooth turned off because it drains by battery. Therefore there’s no reason to download it, as I won’t be able to use it.

In addition, I’m concerned about it seeming to rely on people self-reporting symptoms. I don’t want to be subject to self-isolation just because someone I stood nearby in the supermarket has hayfever or a cold.

What others suggestions do people have that could potentially help us come out of lockdown and save lives?

If the government has nothing to hide, why doesn't it come out and be open and transparent?
THIS

And while we’re at it, why is a government that wants us all, including poorer groups and women, to be socially responsible not particularly under pressure to be socially responsible itself, either as an institution, a body, or the individuals making it up? When are the many inequalities in Britain going to be admitted and re-distributed? When are the disadvantages it systematically forces on us going to acknowledged and addressed? Until then, as DGRosetti said earlier, continued coals for ‘social responsibility’ especially accompanied by inane ‘nothing to hide’ or melodramatic ‘infecting murderers’ are just going to get people’s backs up.

I will not and I'm a proud tin foil hat lol. It's all happening exactly has many great minds wrote about. Orwell/Huxley. I will not be tracked and traced

Honestly some people are so paranoid! No one's monitoring your unimportant, insignificant little life geez

To anyone who is worried about being ‘tracked by the government’ can you tell me why that makes you worry, and what the hell are you doing that you shouldn’t be! 😂

I will download it because I own a food shop and I think for peace of mind for me and my staff it would be a useful tool for people to use.

I really hope that everyone who has expressed an opinion on this thread will actually listen to what the government have to say about the app when it is ready for general use.

It would be a real shame if we don't make the most of a tool that has the potential to help control the spread of this virus.

Some people on the thread seem to be looking for an excuse to be awkward about it. The fact that you don't normally carry your phone all the time isn't a reason not to do so now, prior to all of this I didn't carry hand sanitiser but I do now, why wouldn't I? We have to behave responsibly.

It's not unreasonable to have questions about privacy but please, please consider carefully what the real risks are compared to the benefits.

I am looking forward to hearing more about how the app will work and anticipate downloading it at the first opportunity. I work in face to face customer service and plan to have my phone on me at all times. I really hope that our customers will do the same if they can in consideration of the fact that I and my colleagues put ourselves at risk by going to work everyday.

Perhaps some of the people who are very negative about the app have the luxury of being able to control who they spend time with for the most part, but we are not all in that position.

If you work in a shop and you’re supposed to isolate every time you come in contact with someone who tests positive, you’ll lose your job.

I think we should all just refuse to download it and accept lockdown until we get a vaccine.

That would work.

If you work in a shop and you’re supposed to isolate every time you come in contact with someone who tests positive, you’ll lose your job.

From what I have read, it's contact for a 15 minute period. Sitting next to someone on a train. Two rows in front of someone at work. In the same GP's waiting room.

Not serving someone in a shop which takes a minute, tops.

Let's not forget that the app will be used in conjunction with testing (there should be no need for long periods of isolation due to contact)and the numbers of new cases are, and should continue to be, reducing. I would expect that employers should be supportive of the app and encourage their employees to use it as it is part of the package of measures to get businesses back to normal.

Pineapple “ From what I have read, it's contact for a 15 minute period.”

Thanks. Now if I see people constantly swapping seats on the bus, I’ll know why! 😂

@PineappleDanish that depends what type of shop you work in. You can easily spent that with a customer if you are selling them a big ticket item . Or helping them out in a changing room in a bridal shop.

Indeed. But that's the minority of retail, most people work in places like M&S, or Tesco where you serve one customer and move to the next.

I really hope that everyone who has expressed an opinion on this thread will actually listen to what the government have to say about the app when it is ready for general use.

Why ? What's the government done in the past few days that's given any semblance of being more competent that it was a month ago, or a year ago ?

Once again ... I don't need to prove my faith in the government. They need to ear my faith from me. That's how democracy works. If people don't like that, they are more than welcome to call for an end to democracy, and a move towards a simple everyone-does-as-they-are-told society. I've already suggested North Korea as an example.

Until then, we are all free to question the government, and to question their answers should they not satisfy us. But as things stand, nobody on this thread, let alone in government has explained to my satisfaction how this app is going to reduce anyones chances of catching C-19, let alone my chances. Going "well it will" might be enough for some. But not for me.

It's in times of crisis you need to examine the government closest.

Let's not forget that the app will be used in conjunction with testing

Have you seen the slump in testing figures ?

From BBC live feed:

Today’s figures show testing has fallen to 76,496 tests in the 24 hours up to 09:00 BST on Sunday – a drop of more than a third on the 122,000 tests carried out on 30 April. It comes after the health secretary had previously announced that the UK had met its target of carrying out 100,000 tests-a-day by the end of April