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Father ignoring my instructions re his granddaughter.

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Orphlids · 01/05/2020 20:42

Since adolescence, I’ve had a difficult relationship with my father. He is a classic narcissist. He’s extremely charming and charismatic, intelligent and interesting, but behind closed doors, unfeeling and capable of cruelty. When I was fifteen, we had an argument (one of many, typical teenage stuff) and he didn’t speak a work to me again until I was twenty one, despite living under the same roof for three years of that time. It was all very strange, it was as though I was invisible.

Once he resumed speaking to me, it was a couple of sentences a week, all very stilted and awkward. It improved slightly over the years, but things always remained awkward and uncomfortable, and we certainly never had any meaningful conversation.

My DD (now seven) loves my father. She adores him. He is so exciting, and fun in her eyes. I was dubious about allowing a relationship to develop between them, as I am aware of his unpleasant side, but it was impractical to prevent it, as I am extremely close to my mother, so when I would go to see her, of course my father was also in the house.

Three years ago, my parents divorced. Throughout their marriage, he had had one affair after another, and finally left to marry his latest mistress. Before my parents separated, this woman made my mother’s life very unhappy. She made constant silent phone calls to the house, and humiliated my mother at a social function by making it obvious to everyone that she and my father were involved in a sexual relationship. When my daughter was a baby, my mother spent three nights a week staying with us, providing childcare, to allow me to return to work. In my mother’s absence, the other woman would go to my mum’s house, and stay there with my father, leaving little clues to her presence. Her Facebook profile picture is even taken in my mother’s back garden. These things are the only details my mother could bring herself to share with me. There are many more things which she finds too humiliating to speak about.

When my parents divorced, I gave a lot of thought about whether to allow a relationship to continue between my father and my DD. Eventually, I decided, perhaps wrongly, that I would allow it. If I’d not had a child, I’d have simply gone NC with my father. He has surprised me by his consistent interest in seeing my daughter, and they continue to be close. However, he has made repeated attempts to involve his new wife, the woman who, along with him, made my mother’s life so unhappy for a time. I have made it extremely clear to him that under no circumstances is this woman to have any form of contact with my DD. I insist that all contact takes place at my house, but he has repeatedly invited DD to his house, although I’ve told him that won’t be happening. Of course, DD is thrilled at the invitation, and has begged me to allow her to go. He told me a few months ago that he thinks it’s time to introduce DD to his wife. I sent a very lengthy reply, explaining again that I was happy for him to continue contact but that I would never change my mind about his wife, and to please not raise the issue again. It all got a little heated, and he was left in no doubt of my feelings about things. I knew he would try again in the future to involve her, as he cannot accept someone else setting the rules, and wants to maintain contol of every situation. I should make it clear that I am equally angry with my father about my mother’s treatment - I certainly put no more blame on her than I do him. It is simply the fact that my father already has an established relationship with my DD that I allow him contact.

Tonight, he had a video call with DD. I was cooking dinner, and came in to discover DD engaged in a video call with his wife. DD has not been told who this woman is. I don’t know how to discuss the situation with her, as she’s too young to hear thr truth, but I don’t want to lie to her. Of course, if my father had stuck to the rules, DD would not need any sort of explanation until she was older and more equipped to deal with whatever I chose to tell her. I’m furious that my clear instructions have been ignored, although I’m not surprised. I’d appreciate some thoughts on the situation, and what others would do going forward. My main concern is DD’s happiness, but I’m not prepared to allow this woman any level of involvement. My father will never give up attempting to get his own way. I wish I could boot him out of my life, but DD would be devastated.

Thank you for reading such a lengthy rant!

OP posts:
Rumplestrumpet · 01/05/2020 20:50

Wow you've given your father so much power over you even as an adult. After such an abusive adolescence (3 yes loving in the same house and he ignored you EVERY DAY?!?) I'm surprised you allow him to control you and your daughter in this way. Why allow him unsupervised calls with her? Why calls at all?!?!

Yes, your daughter would be sad to lose him in her life but I'm sure she has plenty of other people and activities so that she wouldn't be utterly devastated unless you made a big thing of it.

He is never going to respect your boundaries so maintaining this relationship is only teaching your daughter to accept being mistreated by someone.

I would go NC or VERY minimal (cards and Xmas and bday, occasional contact on your terms) and when she asks to speak to him just say not now or he's busy.

nzborn · 01/05/2020 20:51

l actually wouldn't allow my father to have a relationship with her, eventuality he'll return to form and I wouldn't want her to be decentised to this type of man.

7yo7yo · 01/05/2020 20:53

I think your actually scared of taking the step but you need to Cut contact with the vile abusive piece of shit and his equally vile wife.
I feel sorry for your mum.

Windyatthebeach · 01/05/2020 20:53

My dps were awful to me.
Why would I offer up my dc for any reason?
You are still being controlled and abused op.

Branleuse · 01/05/2020 20:56

Its going to be worse and more damaging when he eventually abandons her as a teenager, which he will.
Id cut him out now.

RedRedWines · 01/05/2020 20:58

I cannot believe you’re allowing this man any contact with your daughter whatsoever. What sort of god awful person could inflict such a cruel and unusual punishment on his own daughter and not speak to her for years whilst in the same house?! Exposing your daughter to someone who has been unimaginably cruel to both her grandmother and mother is just insanity.

Stop contact with him or at some point in the future you’ll be on here for advice on how to console your daughter after she’s displeased him in some negligible way and he shows her his true colours.

DICarter1 · 01/05/2020 20:59

Cut this horrible toxic individual out of your life. He was abusive towards you and will probably be the same to you dd.

AriadnesFilament · 01/05/2020 21:00

I wouldn’t be allowing him to have any contact with her or me AT ALL. I’d explain why fully when my daughter was old enough, and I would remove all control from him permanently.

She is young, she is adaptable.

You are prioritising her temporary happiness over her long term wellbeing and safety, and that of yourself and your mother.

Cut him off.

LouHotel · 01/05/2020 21:01

You need to go NC it will only get more difficult once your DD can pop round after secondary school.

He is going to use your DD as a stick to attack your mother with.

He has no right to a relationship with your daughter, you are still trying to appease him, he will never change, don’t let him turn your DD against you.

Wanderlust21 · 01/05/2020 21:01

Not a chance in hell I would let my child anywhere near a narcissist. You are putting her at risk of a lifetime of abuse. Because giving these ppl in our life when we are young can cause us to gravitate towards them when we grow up. In friendships, relationships...even just attracting workplace bullies ect.

Having a kid is more reason to go no contact. Not less.

Even if he is nice too her atm, he will try to turn you two against each other as she ages. That's all his kind know how to do.

Please get yourself and your kid away from this man. Asap. No more time to waste.

user1635482648 · 01/05/2020 21:02

He's an abuser.

sunflowersandtulips50 · 01/05/2020 21:02

Go NC and stop trying to encourage a relationship with your DD. Your DD won't care so stop hiding behind she has a great relationship. My DH parents went NC with us for a year and my kids didn't blink an eye. I think the issue is yours

Orphlids · 01/05/2020 21:02

Thank you, everyone, for taking the time to reply. Has anyone got any practical advice for how to help DD cope with or understand his sudden and permanent disappearance from her life? Has anyone ever suddenly gone NC with a relative and found a successful way of helping a child of a similar age? She is bright and intuitive.

OP posts:
ursuslemonade · 01/05/2020 21:04

Your father is simply horrid. Why on Earth did you allow a relationship between him and your DD? Especially as he is divorced, you wouldn't have to see him at all. If I were you,I would cut all contact with him.

CandleNoBra · 01/05/2020 21:04

I’d protect my DD from this man. As she becomes a teen he’ll treat her the same as you. He’s abusive. Don’t let your DD grow up thinking men like this are to be respected or tolerated.

Nottherealslimshady · 01/05/2020 21:05

Reduce contact massively and extend the gap between visits regularly. Ween your daughter away from him. The fact he cant put you and your daughter above his new wife speaks volumes. As does the way he treated you and your mother.

Cherrysoup · 01/05/2020 21:05

Why the hell do you give him the time of day? He sounds like a cruel horrible person, well suited to his nasty witch of a new wife. Just wait til your dd’s personality really develops and he starts ignoring her too. I cannot believe that you’ve given him this power after what he did to you. Do you still desperately seek his approval?

sunflowersandtulips50 · 01/05/2020 21:05

Yep my DH parents and he fell
Out, walked out the door and no contact for a year. We didn't make a big deal out of it. When they did mention there GP we explained there had been a fall out and it had nothing to do with them. Kept it low key and didn't make a big issue

Wanderlust21 · 01/05/2020 21:05

I'd flat out tell her - he is a bad man. That he is cruel and perhaps some examples. And that when people treat us like that, we shouldnt stand for it because we have to keep ourselves safe. Because we deserve to be around good people who love us. Not people who pretend to care, only to take.

Dont pussyfoot about the topic. Kids are smarter than we give them credit for.

CandleNoBra · 01/05/2020 21:05

Also your DD is old enough to be told the truth in age appropriate terms. All children are capable of processing the truth of things if done with love and consideration of their age.

MotherofTerriers · 01/05/2020 21:06

I would go no contact. No big announcement to your daughter, just say he’s busy if she asks to see him and make sure her life is full of other things and other people. Don’t teach her that it’s ok to be treated like this. She’s not aware now but that will change as she gets older

ursuslemonade · 01/05/2020 21:07

I suspect he will turn her against you in time. Nip this crap in the bud....
Explain your dd that he was nasty/unkind/hurtful to you and your mum many times and you don't want the same thing happen to her.

Nameisthegame · 01/05/2020 21:12

The woman you spoke to today is someone who hurt your grandmother and me a lot I’ve spoken to your grandfather about it and told him that I don’t want this woman in our lives because she is so mean and hurtful. I can’t tell him to not see her but it is not right for him to try to force her on us. We are not choosing between you grandmother and grandfather we are protecting ourselves from someone who is dangerous.

Then slowly retract grandad or cut contact completely if he forces it.

Notonthestairs · 01/05/2020 21:12

^^ what motherofterriers said. Allow other, more trustworthy people a bigger part in your lives. Let him slide out of yours.

I think when she's a teenager you can reveal more of your own feelings and worries. At the point maybe you will need to allow her to explore her relationship with him - and probably let her be let down by him knowing all the time that you have her back.

But she's 7 & you know better.

Notonetojudge · 01/05/2020 21:16

Sadly, grandparents die all the time, and children adapt very quickly, more quickly than we often think they will. I’m not suggesting you tell her he’s died, but I am saying that whatever reason you give, after a short time his absence will mean less and less to her in any real way, and you can all move on.