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Father ignoring my instructions re his granddaughter.

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Orphlids · 01/05/2020 20:42

Since adolescence, I’ve had a difficult relationship with my father. He is a classic narcissist. He’s extremely charming and charismatic, intelligent and interesting, but behind closed doors, unfeeling and capable of cruelty. When I was fifteen, we had an argument (one of many, typical teenage stuff) and he didn’t speak a work to me again until I was twenty one, despite living under the same roof for three years of that time. It was all very strange, it was as though I was invisible.

Once he resumed speaking to me, it was a couple of sentences a week, all very stilted and awkward. It improved slightly over the years, but things always remained awkward and uncomfortable, and we certainly never had any meaningful conversation.

My DD (now seven) loves my father. She adores him. He is so exciting, and fun in her eyes. I was dubious about allowing a relationship to develop between them, as I am aware of his unpleasant side, but it was impractical to prevent it, as I am extremely close to my mother, so when I would go to see her, of course my father was also in the house.

Three years ago, my parents divorced. Throughout their marriage, he had had one affair after another, and finally left to marry his latest mistress. Before my parents separated, this woman made my mother’s life very unhappy. She made constant silent phone calls to the house, and humiliated my mother at a social function by making it obvious to everyone that she and my father were involved in a sexual relationship. When my daughter was a baby, my mother spent three nights a week staying with us, providing childcare, to allow me to return to work. In my mother’s absence, the other woman would go to my mum’s house, and stay there with my father, leaving little clues to her presence. Her Facebook profile picture is even taken in my mother’s back garden. These things are the only details my mother could bring herself to share with me. There are many more things which she finds too humiliating to speak about.

When my parents divorced, I gave a lot of thought about whether to allow a relationship to continue between my father and my DD. Eventually, I decided, perhaps wrongly, that I would allow it. If I’d not had a child, I’d have simply gone NC with my father. He has surprised me by his consistent interest in seeing my daughter, and they continue to be close. However, he has made repeated attempts to involve his new wife, the woman who, along with him, made my mother’s life so unhappy for a time. I have made it extremely clear to him that under no circumstances is this woman to have any form of contact with my DD. I insist that all contact takes place at my house, but he has repeatedly invited DD to his house, although I’ve told him that won’t be happening. Of course, DD is thrilled at the invitation, and has begged me to allow her to go. He told me a few months ago that he thinks it’s time to introduce DD to his wife. I sent a very lengthy reply, explaining again that I was happy for him to continue contact but that I would never change my mind about his wife, and to please not raise the issue again. It all got a little heated, and he was left in no doubt of my feelings about things. I knew he would try again in the future to involve her, as he cannot accept someone else setting the rules, and wants to maintain contol of every situation. I should make it clear that I am equally angry with my father about my mother’s treatment - I certainly put no more blame on her than I do him. It is simply the fact that my father already has an established relationship with my DD that I allow him contact.

Tonight, he had a video call with DD. I was cooking dinner, and came in to discover DD engaged in a video call with his wife. DD has not been told who this woman is. I don’t know how to discuss the situation with her, as she’s too young to hear thr truth, but I don’t want to lie to her. Of course, if my father had stuck to the rules, DD would not need any sort of explanation until she was older and more equipped to deal with whatever I chose to tell her. I’m furious that my clear instructions have been ignored, although I’m not surprised. I’d appreciate some thoughts on the situation, and what others would do going forward. My main concern is DD’s happiness, but I’m not prepared to allow this woman any level of involvement. My father will never give up attempting to get his own way. I wish I could boot him out of my life, but DD would be devastated.

Thank you for reading such a lengthy rant!

OP posts:
Orphlids · 01/05/2020 21:17

Thank you for your replies and helpful advice. I must admit, it had not occurred to me that he would turn her against me as she got older, but now you have pointed that out, I can suddenly see it staring me in the face! I suddenly feel certain that that would happen.

After tonight’s video call, I sent him an message expressing my fury, and explaining I will be giving some thought to the future. He replied telling me to “lighten up.”

I will go NC. You will be relieved to hear that my DP could not be more different to my father, so DD has the most wonderful example of how you should be treated.

OP posts:
timetest · 01/05/2020 21:19

Your daughter is 7. You get to decide who she has contact with. Your father is toxic. Your daughter does not need a toxic grandfather in her life. Cut him out before he hurts her too.

Wanderlust21 · 01/05/2020 21:20

All the best!

My gran was one and tried desperately to turn my mother and I against each otherwben I was wee. It was horrid and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, let alone a child.

Might be worthwhile reading up on 'the golden child and scapegoat in narcissist families' ect...

autumnkate · 01/05/2020 21:26

I wouldn’t tell her anything at that age. Tell her he’s busy, has a new job, bad phone connection whatever and eventually she’ll stop asking. When she’s older you can tell her the truth.

Princessbanana · 01/05/2020 21:26

Wow, it’s like I could have written that post as it sounds exactly like my father only my poor mother is still stuck with him, feeling to weak to leave. I have gone NC last year and it was the best thing I ever done. I have 4 kids, oldest is 9 and it is hard to explain why they can’t have contact but eventually it becomes the new normal. Also, if I keep my parents in my life, my father would have certainly turned them against me as soon as they hit teenage years so I’m glad of my decision.🙂

Marlouse · 01/05/2020 21:26

O my gosh, I’m so sorry for you. I come from a horrible family, so do some of my friends, but I have never ever heard of a situation where a child was ignored for such a long time. Three years, I cannot wrap my mind around that.

If I were you I would slowly start to put more distance between your DD and your father. Slowly work your way up to NC.

GabsAlot · 01/05/2020 21:27

I never understand the need to have a grandparent at all costs-why did you ever let him see her hes aq nasty abusive man and will do the same to your dd one day

kids dont need granparents especially abusive ones

Zilla1 · 01/05/2020 21:28

Hope you manage to maintain NC, OP.

Unfortunately, I suspect AT BEST your DF would mistreat your DC as he did you. More likely, as PPs have said, he'd weaponise her against you and your DM in revenge and because he can before then mistreating her.

It is revealing he has taken the first opportunity to go against your instructions regarding his OW, again because he could and because he makes the rules, not you, in his world.

It will be difficult but your DD is relying on you to protect her from him.

You will probably have to have repeated age-appropriate conversations as he will try and meet your DD when she's older and tell her how you unfairly stopped them having a relationship then use her to take his revenge on you then because he can.

Good luck.

GabsAlot · 01/05/2020 21:29

sorry didnt see your update i think youre doing the right thing

noctu · 01/05/2020 21:33

Would you be happy for your daughter to be made to feel the way that you felt as a child? If no, then I think you have your answer.

Windyatthebeach · 01/05/2020 21:34

My dd's met my dm - aged 5+6 I told them sometimes people aren't who you think they are and it was best she wasn't in our lives anymore.. They are 13 +14 and hold no resentment I won't let her be around them.
My adult dc also don't see her - of their own choices now. They hold me no ill feelings of my decision either.
Stay strong op.

Tomasinaa · 01/05/2020 21:34

You sound like a fantastic mum

HollowTalk · 01/05/2020 21:35

What was it that made you talk to him after he ignored you for so long? Are you saying you actually left home and he didn't say anything to you?

You've created this problem by allowing him so much power over you. You shouldn't have let him see your daughter in the first place. Now that you have, all you can do is tell your daughter why she can't see him. I'm glad your partner's on your side with this.

ANoiseAnnoys · 01/05/2020 21:35

I would write him a long letter, explaining everything you have said here. Tell him exactly why you don’t want a relationship with him any more, that you can’t forget the way he treated you and your dm and that you feel you’ve made a huge mistake in allowing him to get close to your daughter. Let it all out, it may be cathartic!

Your dd will be fine, children are very adaptable and she’ll forget about him eventually.

If you continue to let him see her I don’t think it’s realistic to expect your dd to never meet his new wife. People like your DF always get what they want in the end.

Thethiniceofanewday · 01/05/2020 21:42

I disagree with PP. don’t write him a letter - or if you do, don’t post it. Grey rock, and close that door.

CoronaMoaner · 01/05/2020 21:44

I think you are doing the right thing.
I have cut off a family member who has always treated me badly, but I felt like I had to stay in touch out of some sort of duty.
This person showed no interest in my children until I went NC.
All of a sudden I received cards, gifts, stuff for the kids.
I didn’t pass on the stuff to the kids.
My DD has asked what happened. I gave her a watered down version of the truth. Said this person was mean to me, had hurt my feelings and I didn’t want to be their friend anymore.
I hope it teaches her to have the strength to walk away from people who treat her badly.

mcmooberry · 01/05/2020 21:45

Poor you! And your poor mum! (I am wondering what she thinks of all this?). Definitely low contact would be my advice, if no other reason than what the pair of them did to your DM is unforgivable.

SoloMummy · 01/05/2020 21:50

I'm afraid that although I would feel the same about the new wife re my own mum, that you've allowed a relationship between him and your daughter, and given the wife is very much in his life its unreasonable to expect she never be a part of your daughter's relationship with her grandfather.

They married. You allowed relationship to continue. You need to get over your issues with her I'm afraid.

Your dad shouldn't have overstepped, but you're as controlling as you state he is.

Your behaviour is on par with how he behaved over the years, except he moved on, you've continued it....

Festipal · 01/05/2020 21:51

He is a piece of shit. You are right to go NC for now and in the future.

Fanthorpe · 01/05/2020 22:02

You’re protecting her by going NC, there’s a good chance that he’s using her to continue to abuse you. His new wife is his accomplice and enabler. It’s all just games to him.

It’s normal to long for a parent to love you as your deserve, even when they do everything in their power to show you the opposite.

Go on and live a happy life.

GrumpyHoonMain · 01/05/2020 22:06

You need to be honest - that your dad is not a nice man and he did some bad things to you and her gran. This will prepare her in case your dad ever tries to contact her directly to slag you off. I would stop all contact asap too.

Harakeke · 01/05/2020 22:07

You do sound like a great mum. I’m sure whatever you tell your DD will be considered and she will be totally fine.

AgentOhDoSodOff · 01/05/2020 22:10

Another voice saying go NC.
It won’t be easy and you may get pressure from elsewhere but you need to protect your relationship with your daughter.
I went NC with an abusive older sibling in my 20s. It was such a relief! I’ve had on going pressure from family to resume contact but it was the right thing to do. My DD was told X was nasty to mummy and life is happier not being around them. DD has accepted this (despite compelling, but outing, reasons why she’d love contact).

Rosspoldarkssaddle · 01/05/2020 22:12

You don't need to contact him any further. You have said you are giving it thought not put a time limit on it. Leave it. Block calls, remove him from her devices and wait. If she asks, tell her that he has done something naughty that you asked him not to do because it was very hurtful to you and grandma and that you think it best to have some time away from one another because you are upset and sad about his behaviour. Then leave it. Keep her days full and do not bring it up again.
You are the gatekeeper and you are in control.

Phrowzunn · 01/05/2020 22:16

I would definitely cut him out. You don’t have to do it all of a sudden or have a big dramatic fallout. Just gradually reduce and reduce until he’s out of your life. I know it’s hard to think of your daughter upset at this age and not really understanding what’s happening, but imagine how upset she will be as an adult woman when she does understand. I think she would be gutted to learn what he had done to you and your dad and that she has unwittingly been on his side all these years. If he was my grandad I’d want nothing to do with him and wouldn’t want to feel like I’d spent years unknowingly hurting and betraying my gran.