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Should I be worried about husband's colleague?

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Smm7 · 01/05/2020 11:55

Hi mums
This is my first time posting but I feel like I'm going out of my mind and I really need some advice please. My husband and I have been together for almost 15 years, and we've had our ups and downs like normal couples but mostly things have always been great. He's a good man, he's always treated me well, supportive both emotionally and financially, and is an amazing father to our children. However, he's developed a really close friendship with a woman he works with and I'm not sure if I should be worried or if I'm overreacting. To give you some back story, I became aware of this woman last year when my husband took our little girl to his office and she came back talking about this woman and how she's daddy's best friend. She's young, single and very pretty. Her name has popped up a few times since then and I've always had a bit of an off feeling about their friendship, but I put it down to my own insecurity. When the lockdown started, both my husband and I had to start working from home and he would spend hours every day speaking to her on the phone- they would call each other constantly throughout the day and it was rarely ever work related. His voice always changed when he spoke to her. He'd speak a lot more quietly, and would sound really flirty and giggled constantly. I'd hear him telling her non-work related things that he hadn't told me about. I felt hurt because it got to the point where he barely said a word to me but would be talking to her all day. Eventually I got really upset and told him how I felt. He reassured me she was just a friend but that he would tone it down. That didn't happen, he just got more secretive about talking to her. One day he went out in the garden to work, and when I went outside he was on his webcam with her. They also continued to have their hours-long conversations but he got sneaky about it. He'd close the door thinking I wouldn't be able to hear, and hide her name on his screen (his work calls come through his laptop and the name displays on the screen). The secrecy of it made me paranoid that there really was something to worry about. Again, after one too many calls listening to them giggling and teasing each other, I got upset but this this time I flipped out and said if we weren't in lockdown I'd be packing my bags (maybe an overreaction). This time he got upset and said there was absolutely nothing going on, he loved me, she was just a good friend etc etc. The next morning he was very loving, constantly reassuring me, apologising that he'd been neglecting me. For a while things got better. He still spoke to her on the phone, but not nearly as much and I started to feel better, until one day I saw Facebook messages from her popping up on his phone. It was a Sunday so I felt a bit pissed off that she was encroaching on our time away from work but I tried not to get upset about it. I know it's bad but I thought I could go on his tablet and look at the messages she'd sent him. However, he has deleted the Facebook app off his tablet. Then last week he got a new phone and has now changed the pin number he has always used (I know at this point I sound like a jealous, paranoid wife but I absolutely swear I never normally check his phone/tablet- I only knew his pin number because it's the same one we use for all our devices. Before all this I completely trusted him and felt no need to check up on him). The other night I saw Facebook messages flashing up from her again and I got cross. He was annoyed and acted like I was being unreasonable, saying he only messaged her 'occasionally' so I apologised and said I didn't want him to end his friendship with her, it's my problem and I need to learn to deal with it and stop being jealous. Last night I managed to get into his Facebook account on his old phone (he doesn't know I did this. He'd deleted the app but when I downloaded it again, the login information had been saved). I read all the messages, even though it took me a couple of hours (there were that many). At first I felt reassured as there was nothing to suggest they've had any kind of inappropriate contact. However, the sheer volume of messages is unbelievable. I'm lucky to get a reply when I message him, but for the past couple of months, they've literally messaged each other from first thing in the morning to late into the night, all day every day (so much for toning it down- he's just got another way to contact her). The messages were pretty much daily before that, although there weren't as many. She sends him selfies (again, nothing inappropriate but wtf is she sending my husband photos of herself?). There are messages from him late at night asking if she's out (I assume those are from when he's been on nights out and wants to meet her). There was one night when he and I were both out with our friends separately and had arranged to meet later in the evening. There are messages to her that night asking if she was out, while at the same time he was also messaging me arranging when/where we were going to meet (I'm assuming he was trying to find out if he could meet up with her first). He talks to her about pretty much every aspect of his personal life, telling her all kinds of silly little things- the kids, his hobbies, friends of his she hasn't even met, funny things that have happened in his day etc but he never mentions me at all. There's lots of teasing each other, some mild sexual banter although nothing terrible and not about each other. He teases her about how many admirers she has at work, how many of the guys (and girls apparently) fancy her. There are messages asking her if she wants to go to gigs (this is really hurtful as he goes to lots of gigs but rarely asks me to go). One of the gigs he asked her to go to was one I'd told him about but he didn't invite me to go. He sends her cute animal memes and videos. If I send him something funny, he never responds but he has forwarded loads of the stuff I've sent him to her (no personal messages, just funny memes and videos I've sent him). I don't know if I'm being petty but I'm just so hurt by it. I've never contacted any of my close friends nearly to the extent that he contacts her, and they only met each other last year! I do believe nothing physical has happened between them as I think it's impossible to message each other so much without making any reference to it, but I can't help but think there are definitely feelings there. I'm going out of my mind with anxiety and today I feel so low. I just want to get away and try to get my head together but obviously with the lockdown, that's not possible. Am I overreacting and being paranoid? Or am I right to be hurt? I honestly don't know what to think right now, my head is all over the place. I feel like this is all I think about now and I just want to be happy again 😔

OP posts:
bluemoon77 · 01/05/2020 18:20

You aren’t being petty in the slightest. I wouldn’t be able to accept this behaviour. If it was me I’d tell him to sling his hook.

mrsmuddlepies · 01/05/2020 18:21

Most helpful response is from @Summerofloaf.

InFiveMins · 01/05/2020 18:23

The signs are all there OP. Don't sit back and allow him to do this! To be in contact with her as much as he is, he is quite clearly having an emotional affair if not a physical one. He clearly fancies her and is deleting apps left right and centre so you can't snoop. Get rid!

HesSpartacus · 01/05/2020 18:28

She's the last thing he thinks about and 'speaks' to at night and the first thing he thinks about (and messages) in the morning. How does that fit into a healthy marriage?

tara66 · 01/05/2020 18:30

He is completely obsessed with this woman. You should confront him - tell him you've seen his messages. Also you could try to time and make notes/diary of when you think/know he is talking or messaging her. Show him the old phone you saw. Tell him you want to talk to her too about the relationship. If he denies it and says it is your imagination ask him if he has seen the film Gas Light - as that is how you feel he is behaving?

MulticolourMophead · 01/05/2020 18:32

Ducks in a row and then make your move.

Get copies of all those messages too.

This.

MagnoliaJustice · 01/05/2020 18:32

If I were you, I would tell him that as far as you are concerned, your marriage is over. Don't allow him to manipulate you into thinking that you are the one at fault here. He is deeply emotionally involved with another woman. If it wasn't for lockdown, their relationship would have moved on to a physical affair by now, almost certainly. Don't take any more of this, it's time to take action.

bluemoon77 · 01/05/2020 18:33

I absolutely hate men like him. He’s going to split up a happy home just to satisfy his pathetic needs. I hope he ends up alone.

UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 01/05/2020 18:34

I’ve got a feeling that the more you dig in (apologise, question him, be visibly upset) the more he’ll dig his heels in and refuse to break things off with her. What do you think he’d do if you told him you didn’t love someone who could treat you like this? Just calmly (regardless of how you feel inside) tell him he’s not good enough for you. Would that snap him out of it?

ACertainSupermarket · 01/05/2020 18:37

It's clearly a serious emotional affair, whether or not he's in denial about it.

HotMessMama · 01/05/2020 18:39

Oh OP you are not being petty or unreasonable at all, I’m so sorry this is happening to you, it’s a betrayal of trust and you are bound to be hurt Flowers
Affairs aren’t always physical/sexual, your DH has developed an emotional intimate connection with someone else, by the sound of it they just haven’t explored the physical side yet (but I think that’s only a matter of time). Changing PIN numbers, deleting apps etc are all ways in which he’s tried to cover his tracks and hide this from you, because he knows this is inappropriate. As others have said if this was a male work colleague would there be all this secrecy?
Whatever you decide I hope you and your children are ok but it would be the end of the relationship for me x

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 01/05/2020 18:40

I’m sure I would be ok with messages/friendships with a colleague.

What I feckin wouldn’t be ok with is him being secretive about it and then having a pop when you state it is impacting on your family life.

The dishonesty and blame transferring would not be welcome in my home. And nor would he.

Sorry OP. He is a knob.

headinthedrawer · 01/05/2020 18:40

In your position (which I was a few months ago)I would tell him enough is enough and book a couples counsellor.They will see you via Zoom.If he refuses see the counsellor alone.This saved our marriage as she validated that my husband's actions were hurtful and that he was putting his needs above mine .We worked through why it had happened and why our reactions were how they were.I was able to say what I wanted....no more messaging and if he does it again he's out.Its worked and we are happy but he knows I won't tolerate that crappy behaviour again.Theres a good book too which was recommended to me on here called 'Not just friend's by Shelley Glass.Don't put up with this op....its totally unacceptable and he is betraying you.She isn't trying to get to know you...it's your husband she is interested in.

CambsAlways · 01/05/2020 18:44

Bin the bastard, so sorry this is happening! If it was my husband I’d have his things in black bags they would be chucked out the front door, no ifs not buts, my heart goes out to you, what a disrespectful knob, you deserve much much more, I’m sure he wouldn’t put up with it if you were doing the same thing

Weallhavevalidopinions · 01/05/2020 18:46

Wow YANBU

He is emotionally cheating and he is being horrible and disrespectful to you

You deserve better. Sending hugs. Sort him out - get rid.

VodselForDinner · 01/05/2020 18:55

Your thread title is way off- don’t worry about her, worry about your husband as he’s the one cheating on you

He's a good man, he's always treated me well, supportive both emotionally and financially

Given the amount of his work day he must be spending flirting with this woman, I’d be seriously concerned about his long-term prospects in terms of keeping his job. Is he in a senior position to her?

Zaalfruit · 01/05/2020 19:00

I read this and then felt my heart skip a beat . You are not being unreasonable- you have told him how you felt and he still feels the need to talk to her and continue secretly. It’s up to you what you do next ... but it’s totally unacceptable x but if you need a shoulder we are all here for you .

Fluffybutter · 01/05/2020 19:03

I’d be seriously concerned about his long-term prospects in terms of keeping his job. Is he in a senior position to her?
Very good point ..
This happened in my dh’s organisation and it was a cluster fuck!
Strangely enough it was a married ,father of 2 and a younger single woman so very similar to op’s predicament.
Both came out of it terribly and caused dh a right headache after the ‘he said she said‘ as they then turned it into a work thing as she wouldn’t work for him anymore when he wouldn’t leave his wife.
She then told her anyway ..

boylovesmeerkats · 01/05/2020 19:06

Well it's the intimacy isn't it? Not physical but emotional which is just as bad, maybe worse. I've got male friends but I'm not intimate with them and my husband is part of the friendship. It's not right and very hurtful. Good luck

StormBaby · 01/05/2020 19:08

This is 100% an emotional affair already. I once you start hiding messages and calls, deleting things, and doing the daily updates, you are emotionally reliant on someone who is not your partner. He's cheating already

NeutrinoWrangler · 01/05/2020 19:08

YANBU, not at all. It's no wonder you're hurt. Flowers

I agree with PP that if you deem this marriage worth fighting for, you should make copies of the messages, then confront him about the situation one more time. If he's willing to go to marriage counselling, it's worth a try, but if he won't admit that there's a problem with the amount of time and effort he's pouring into his "friendship" as compared to what he metes out to you (his wife), you're ready to end the marriage over this.

You deserve a husband who is honest with you and treats you like his best friend!

Cakemakeslifebetter · 01/05/2020 19:21

Woman are always portrayed as “phyco” or “crazy” for acting on their feelings, this is why you felt the need to apologise.

Please don’t feel you have to do that again, ever. You are fully entitled to feel hurt by his actions in any case.

I felt so sad for you reading your post OP. Even if nothing has happened yet (it’s clear that’s what he does want) then he has still put his desire to have this close “friendship” with her over your feelings and that’s no way to be when you’re in a partnership.

spongedog · 01/05/2020 19:23

Winterwoollies Fri 01-May-20 12:55:23
He is balls-deep in an emotional affair. I’m so sorry, OP.

^^ This.

Sorry if we werent in lockdown this would be a physical sexual affair. This was the most upsetting part for me of being betrayed. That the close communication and little shared moments had gone from my life and was being shared with another.

Darbs76 · 01/05/2020 19:43

He wants an affair with her - maybe she’s just stringing him along as she likes male attention. Certainly not on

Summerofloaf · 01/05/2020 19:55

Most helpful response is from @Summerofloaf.

I’m not so sure now having thought about this more over dinner.

It’s easy to say communicate etc but if he’s not responded well to talking about it before what evidence is there that he will this time? Perhaps my response is just patronising.

Sorry I don’t really know what to advise. If what you say is true (and it all sounds objectively verifiable and factual) then their behaviour is absolutely not right.

That leads to the really painful possible question of ‘is he still in love with you?’ Or ‘is he having a midlife and will he come to his senses?’ Another more important question I’m (and no doubt most of us) are asking is ‘does he still deserve you?’

Sorry no answer but sending you hugs anyway.