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Should I be worried about husband's colleague?

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Smm7 · 01/05/2020 11:55

Hi mums
This is my first time posting but I feel like I'm going out of my mind and I really need some advice please. My husband and I have been together for almost 15 years, and we've had our ups and downs like normal couples but mostly things have always been great. He's a good man, he's always treated me well, supportive both emotionally and financially, and is an amazing father to our children. However, he's developed a really close friendship with a woman he works with and I'm not sure if I should be worried or if I'm overreacting. To give you some back story, I became aware of this woman last year when my husband took our little girl to his office and she came back talking about this woman and how she's daddy's best friend. She's young, single and very pretty. Her name has popped up a few times since then and I've always had a bit of an off feeling about their friendship, but I put it down to my own insecurity. When the lockdown started, both my husband and I had to start working from home and he would spend hours every day speaking to her on the phone- they would call each other constantly throughout the day and it was rarely ever work related. His voice always changed when he spoke to her. He'd speak a lot more quietly, and would sound really flirty and giggled constantly. I'd hear him telling her non-work related things that he hadn't told me about. I felt hurt because it got to the point where he barely said a word to me but would be talking to her all day. Eventually I got really upset and told him how I felt. He reassured me she was just a friend but that he would tone it down. That didn't happen, he just got more secretive about talking to her. One day he went out in the garden to work, and when I went outside he was on his webcam with her. They also continued to have their hours-long conversations but he got sneaky about it. He'd close the door thinking I wouldn't be able to hear, and hide her name on his screen (his work calls come through his laptop and the name displays on the screen). The secrecy of it made me paranoid that there really was something to worry about. Again, after one too many calls listening to them giggling and teasing each other, I got upset but this this time I flipped out and said if we weren't in lockdown I'd be packing my bags (maybe an overreaction). This time he got upset and said there was absolutely nothing going on, he loved me, she was just a good friend etc etc. The next morning he was very loving, constantly reassuring me, apologising that he'd been neglecting me. For a while things got better. He still spoke to her on the phone, but not nearly as much and I started to feel better, until one day I saw Facebook messages from her popping up on his phone. It was a Sunday so I felt a bit pissed off that she was encroaching on our time away from work but I tried not to get upset about it. I know it's bad but I thought I could go on his tablet and look at the messages she'd sent him. However, he has deleted the Facebook app off his tablet. Then last week he got a new phone and has now changed the pin number he has always used (I know at this point I sound like a jealous, paranoid wife but I absolutely swear I never normally check his phone/tablet- I only knew his pin number because it's the same one we use for all our devices. Before all this I completely trusted him and felt no need to check up on him). The other night I saw Facebook messages flashing up from her again and I got cross. He was annoyed and acted like I was being unreasonable, saying he only messaged her 'occasionally' so I apologised and said I didn't want him to end his friendship with her, it's my problem and I need to learn to deal with it and stop being jealous. Last night I managed to get into his Facebook account on his old phone (he doesn't know I did this. He'd deleted the app but when I downloaded it again, the login information had been saved). I read all the messages, even though it took me a couple of hours (there were that many). At first I felt reassured as there was nothing to suggest they've had any kind of inappropriate contact. However, the sheer volume of messages is unbelievable. I'm lucky to get a reply when I message him, but for the past couple of months, they've literally messaged each other from first thing in the morning to late into the night, all day every day (so much for toning it down- he's just got another way to contact her). The messages were pretty much daily before that, although there weren't as many. She sends him selfies (again, nothing inappropriate but wtf is she sending my husband photos of herself?). There are messages from him late at night asking if she's out (I assume those are from when he's been on nights out and wants to meet her). There was one night when he and I were both out with our friends separately and had arranged to meet later in the evening. There are messages to her that night asking if she was out, while at the same time he was also messaging me arranging when/where we were going to meet (I'm assuming he was trying to find out if he could meet up with her first). He talks to her about pretty much every aspect of his personal life, telling her all kinds of silly little things- the kids, his hobbies, friends of his she hasn't even met, funny things that have happened in his day etc but he never mentions me at all. There's lots of teasing each other, some mild sexual banter although nothing terrible and not about each other. He teases her about how many admirers she has at work, how many of the guys (and girls apparently) fancy her. There are messages asking her if she wants to go to gigs (this is really hurtful as he goes to lots of gigs but rarely asks me to go). One of the gigs he asked her to go to was one I'd told him about but he didn't invite me to go. He sends her cute animal memes and videos. If I send him something funny, he never responds but he has forwarded loads of the stuff I've sent him to her (no personal messages, just funny memes and videos I've sent him). I don't know if I'm being petty but I'm just so hurt by it. I've never contacted any of my close friends nearly to the extent that he contacts her, and they only met each other last year! I do believe nothing physical has happened between them as I think it's impossible to message each other so much without making any reference to it, but I can't help but think there are definitely feelings there. I'm going out of my mind with anxiety and today I feel so low. I just want to get away and try to get my head together but obviously with the lockdown, that's not possible. Am I overreacting and being paranoid? Or am I right to be hurt? I honestly don't know what to think right now, my head is all over the place. I feel like this is all I think about now and I just want to be happy again 😔

OP posts:
BeatrixPottersAlterEgo · 01/05/2020 20:15

I'm so sorry OP. I can't imagine how painful this is. You should be the first woman in his life, not this colleague. He's having an emotional affair. I'd give him the boot

DO95 · 01/05/2020 20:18

I would be completely outraged. You've told him twice how much this upsets you and he's chosen to continue to do it each time. It's way out of line and I would of left long ago. Pack his bags, tell him to move in with her as he enjoys speaking to her so much and spend some lovely time with your children.

CSIblonde · 01/05/2020 20:19

I'd decide what I wanted as it's obviously on course to go into a full blown affair. If it's a deal breaker & over for you , get financial info like bank statements & payslips photo'd now as men often siphon off or hide earnings & savings when it gets nasty. (I was a legal sec). If you want him to stop, but he's reluctant I'd contact the woman. At the moment you're a distant & abstract idea to her not a reality. Depending on her personality, she'll either back off or dig in & play the long game & it'll bring it all to a head & you'll know where you stand at least.

Peachez · 01/05/2020 20:28

This man is cheating. DO NOT show your hand. I know it hurts but use that anger to gather evidence. Screenshot everything, FB, phone, laptop. Go completely 007 on him. When you have all of that, backed up to a thumb drive in a safe place, then you tell him: this is over, right now or you are gone. Oh and look for a burner phone. There will be one.

Bellringer · 01/05/2020 20:30

Tell him it's her or you. Ducks in a row first. If it's her he tells your child and leaves now. If it's you he tells her now and cut contact, not another word. One of them gets a transfer. No excuses, no waiting. Counselling afterwards. Good luck, don't let him mess about.

inthekitchensink · 01/05/2020 21:07

You’re massively under reacting. Why on earth are you apologising for checking messages? He is tragic, pathetic, and you will be if you don’t end your relationship

MsDogLady · 02/05/2020 05:01

This is blatant infidelity. He is madly in love with her.

A ‘good man’ and ‘amazing father’ does not conduct an affair right under his family’s nose.

He feels entitled to bamboozle you and shift the blame so you will apologize and back off.

Find your anger and stop being his fool.

Getlostu · 02/05/2020 05:27

I’ve got a male best friend. Every message I send him includes his wife in the message thread. It’s called respect and I deliberately became her friend because there’s no way I’d want to cause him or her discomfort or worry. That’s friendship. They’re not “best friends” at all. This is ridiculous. He’s got a fancy for her. Come on. This is nothing to do with you or you overreacting or being controlling. He’s obsessed with her! Contacting her when you’re out to see if she’s out. WTF? Seriously. WTF? That’s what you do when you’re trying to hook up or flirting. She’s not a friend and they are having an emotional affair. He’s treating her like his partner. All those messages! Dawn to dusk. Are any of them work related?
If it was me, I’d take control of the situation. It’s all you can do right now. This ship has sailed I’m afraid. Your marriage is over. It just is. Even if he doesn’t go there physically he’s put you second best. He wants somebody else. Put yourself first for a change. Take control. Tell him you are done being second best and he’s been checked out of this marriage for so long that too much damage has been done. Tell him he needs to leave and find somewhere else to live. Make him go. The only way you’re going to stand a chance here is to rip the rug from under his smug arse. He’s courting her while having the comfort blanket of good old you to cushion him. Don’t be the old faithful. Send him packing. He’ll have to go live in a hotel or go stay with friends or family. Why should you provide him and his growing affair a safe harbour? No. No. No. this ends now

Getlostu · 02/05/2020 05:32

Oh and have you got any male friends? Colleagues? I suggest a long phone conversation with that person where you offload your woes and he can hear. What’s good for the goose. Everything’s all about him right now. Start contacting friends and having long conversations for support. Don’t spare his feelings. Stop sending him anything. Cut him off. Stop cooking him food. Sleep in a different bed. Do nothing for him. No washing. Detach from him and start looking at him with hatred. No hugs. No kisses. You are only going to get anywhere if you come down like a tonne of bricks. He’s working hard for her so make him start working hard for you.

SummerWhisper · 02/05/2020 07:53

His sense of entitlement is massive, despite your anxiety over it. He is not a good husband or family man. He is a cheat who holds you in contempt. He doesn't deserve you or your child. He is also defrauding work by taking a full time salary and only doing a part time job. He could lose you and his job, but still he carries on.

As a scenario to help him understand his behaviour, ask him, if he still maintains it's all above board and not cheating, to imagine telling his child all about it in every detail, including reading out all of the messages between them. Ask him to imagine explaining to his child why he doesn't respond to your cute messages, but forwards them to her and responds to her messages every time. Ask him to imagine explaining to his child why he chooses to ask her instead of you to gigs. How does his narrative sound to him then?

RiverCrossing · 02/05/2020 08:04

It’s an emotional affair. I’ve been there - except I couldn’t understand the signs until it was too late, but reading back your OP is like reading exactly what happened to me. His head is invested somewhere else - it doesn’t mean he doesn’t love you, but he needs to choose what he wants so you can live your life properly.

RoseGoldEagle · 02/05/2020 08:13

I’m not sure I could stay with someone who’d done this. Even if he agrees to stop, the fact he’s done this for so long, and hasn’t been giving you the attention YOU deserve would make me think I could do so so much better.

I think you may be right that it hasn’t progressed to an affair yet- but it’s very clear he’d like it to (if it doesn’t it will be because she’s actually just loving all the attention but doesn’t want anything more- I can’t help wondering if that’s the case here, because if he’s asked her to gigs and she’s single, she would presumably have taken him up on one of these offers by now if she REALLY wanted an affair).

I think either it will turn into an affair, or he’ll push it too far and she’ll tell him to back off at which point he’ll come crawling back to you. Whatever the eventual outcome, you are way way too good for this. Good people do not treat people this way. I’d get out now.

PeanutDouglas · 02/05/2020 08:14

I think it’s really important for your self esteem to realise (just as a pp said) this doesn’t mean he doesn’t love you. I’d imagine he does. BUT he’s probably bored and this is exciting. Very very common. However, the question is whether you can forgive his disrespect towards you and whether he deserves you. Only you can answer this question.

tensmum1964 · 02/05/2020 08:20

Like others I think deep down you have known for a while but didn't want to confront it. You don't need proof, everything you have seen so far is proof enough.

DrManhattan · 02/05/2020 08:31

Leave him

SWemily · 02/05/2020 08:32

There is nothing normal about this whatsoever. He's gaslighted you to get away with this. It's frankly disgusting and you have my sympathies. You need to divorce him, it won't change, and even if this woman disappeared.. another one would.

Ask yourself, as a single young woman? Would you feel comfortable FaceTiming a married man while his wife is littering about this in the background?
She's trouble, some women thrive off attention off married men. It's sick, daddy issues.

There are some amazing replies on here, listen to your gut SmileDaffodil

Pinkpepper9 · 02/05/2020 08:36

There’s a man and woman like this at my work. He’s in his 50s and she’s about 22. They sit next together at work, constant banter between them, they usually go out for lunch together. There’s absolutely no way she’s interested in him, I guess she just enjoys the friendship and maybe the male attention? He definitely enjoys the banter and the fact that she’s young and attractive. Very strange relationship!

Even if there’s no evidence of a physical affair, he has hidden this from you and went into the garden to talk to her. It sounds like if he was given the opportunity he might want to start something. She is probably just enjoying the attention, and will probably cut contact if she meets someone herself (probably her own age). I think he’s being incredibly disrespectful. If he was my partner I would ask him to leave. I’m sorry OP Flowers

Greenkit · 02/05/2020 09:08

Did op come back?

PeanutDouglas · 02/05/2020 09:10

@Greenkit I was just thinking the same. Hopefully she’s reading her husband the riot act

Summerofloaf · 02/05/2020 10:03

Or possibly grieving the loss of the relationship she thought she had in private.

Greenkit · 02/05/2020 10:10

Hope she is ok
There is a lot of 'finding out' from people in lockdown and quite a few who realise they don't like who they are living with.

Wish people were just honest with each other, would save so much heart ache

Aridane · 02/05/2020 10:25

Oh sweetie - that’s not good - and I’m sorry this is the reason you’re joining Mumsnet

Zenithbear · 02/05/2020 10:45

"I felt hurt because it got to the point where he barely said a word to me but would be talking to her all day."

This stood out for me.
It tells you everything you need to know.
He will never change, I know from experience. Move on without him and don't put up with anyone who makes you feel like you don't matter again. I know it's hard atm but believe me you will get a better life in the end (also my experience). My ex is now full of regret, sad and lonely as ow kicked him out and I am as happy as I have ever been with my amazing dp.
Flowers

lockdownlowdown · 02/05/2020 11:16

Has op been back yet? I can't see anything. Poor woman

PrinnyPree · 02/05/2020 12:24

Sending so much love OP I'm so sorry you have been gaslit by this person my stomach is in knots reading your descriptions and outraged that he managed to manipulate you into apologising for his cheating. Flowers

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