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Should I be worried about husband's colleague?

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Smm7 · 01/05/2020 11:55

Hi mums
This is my first time posting but I feel like I'm going out of my mind and I really need some advice please. My husband and I have been together for almost 15 years, and we've had our ups and downs like normal couples but mostly things have always been great. He's a good man, he's always treated me well, supportive both emotionally and financially, and is an amazing father to our children. However, he's developed a really close friendship with a woman he works with and I'm not sure if I should be worried or if I'm overreacting. To give you some back story, I became aware of this woman last year when my husband took our little girl to his office and she came back talking about this woman and how she's daddy's best friend. She's young, single and very pretty. Her name has popped up a few times since then and I've always had a bit of an off feeling about their friendship, but I put it down to my own insecurity. When the lockdown started, both my husband and I had to start working from home and he would spend hours every day speaking to her on the phone- they would call each other constantly throughout the day and it was rarely ever work related. His voice always changed when he spoke to her. He'd speak a lot more quietly, and would sound really flirty and giggled constantly. I'd hear him telling her non-work related things that he hadn't told me about. I felt hurt because it got to the point where he barely said a word to me but would be talking to her all day. Eventually I got really upset and told him how I felt. He reassured me she was just a friend but that he would tone it down. That didn't happen, he just got more secretive about talking to her. One day he went out in the garden to work, and when I went outside he was on his webcam with her. They also continued to have their hours-long conversations but he got sneaky about it. He'd close the door thinking I wouldn't be able to hear, and hide her name on his screen (his work calls come through his laptop and the name displays on the screen). The secrecy of it made me paranoid that there really was something to worry about. Again, after one too many calls listening to them giggling and teasing each other, I got upset but this this time I flipped out and said if we weren't in lockdown I'd be packing my bags (maybe an overreaction). This time he got upset and said there was absolutely nothing going on, he loved me, she was just a good friend etc etc. The next morning he was very loving, constantly reassuring me, apologising that he'd been neglecting me. For a while things got better. He still spoke to her on the phone, but not nearly as much and I started to feel better, until one day I saw Facebook messages from her popping up on his phone. It was a Sunday so I felt a bit pissed off that she was encroaching on our time away from work but I tried not to get upset about it. I know it's bad but I thought I could go on his tablet and look at the messages she'd sent him. However, he has deleted the Facebook app off his tablet. Then last week he got a new phone and has now changed the pin number he has always used (I know at this point I sound like a jealous, paranoid wife but I absolutely swear I never normally check his phone/tablet- I only knew his pin number because it's the same one we use for all our devices. Before all this I completely trusted him and felt no need to check up on him). The other night I saw Facebook messages flashing up from her again and I got cross. He was annoyed and acted like I was being unreasonable, saying he only messaged her 'occasionally' so I apologised and said I didn't want him to end his friendship with her, it's my problem and I need to learn to deal with it and stop being jealous. Last night I managed to get into his Facebook account on his old phone (he doesn't know I did this. He'd deleted the app but when I downloaded it again, the login information had been saved). I read all the messages, even though it took me a couple of hours (there were that many). At first I felt reassured as there was nothing to suggest they've had any kind of inappropriate contact. However, the sheer volume of messages is unbelievable. I'm lucky to get a reply when I message him, but for the past couple of months, they've literally messaged each other from first thing in the morning to late into the night, all day every day (so much for toning it down- he's just got another way to contact her). The messages were pretty much daily before that, although there weren't as many. She sends him selfies (again, nothing inappropriate but wtf is she sending my husband photos of herself?). There are messages from him late at night asking if she's out (I assume those are from when he's been on nights out and wants to meet her). There was one night when he and I were both out with our friends separately and had arranged to meet later in the evening. There are messages to her that night asking if she was out, while at the same time he was also messaging me arranging when/where we were going to meet (I'm assuming he was trying to find out if he could meet up with her first). He talks to her about pretty much every aspect of his personal life, telling her all kinds of silly little things- the kids, his hobbies, friends of his she hasn't even met, funny things that have happened in his day etc but he never mentions me at all. There's lots of teasing each other, some mild sexual banter although nothing terrible and not about each other. He teases her about how many admirers she has at work, how many of the guys (and girls apparently) fancy her. There are messages asking her if she wants to go to gigs (this is really hurtful as he goes to lots of gigs but rarely asks me to go). One of the gigs he asked her to go to was one I'd told him about but he didn't invite me to go. He sends her cute animal memes and videos. If I send him something funny, he never responds but he has forwarded loads of the stuff I've sent him to her (no personal messages, just funny memes and videos I've sent him). I don't know if I'm being petty but I'm just so hurt by it. I've never contacted any of my close friends nearly to the extent that he contacts her, and they only met each other last year! I do believe nothing physical has happened between them as I think it's impossible to message each other so much without making any reference to it, but I can't help but think there are definitely feelings there. I'm going out of my mind with anxiety and today I feel so low. I just want to get away and try to get my head together but obviously with the lockdown, that's not possible. Am I overreacting and being paranoid? Or am I right to be hurt? I honestly don't know what to think right now, my head is all over the place. I feel like this is all I think about now and I just want to be happy again 😔

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Greenkit · 01/05/2020 16:51

Are you ok, after the confirmation that your DH is in an EA with the OW.

Hope you are and have challenged him

ThisGunsForHire · 01/05/2020 16:52

Gosh that was painful to read. I’m so sorry for what you’re going through.
He’s disengaged from you op - in his mind it’s now all about her.
So, put him and his horrible behaviour to one side, take some time and think about what you want. Think about YOUR future. Will you forgive (maybe not forget) bearing in mind that your relationship will never be quite the same? Will you have zero tolerance and throw him out? Can you imagine building a future for yourself without him?
And bear in mind, regardless of what he promises, as long as they work together it’ll probably continue (and possibly progress and get worse).
You sound very passive, I’d be kicking his arse (and that would be just for starters).

BlueSuffragette · 01/05/2020 16:52

Sorry OP but I think that he has checked out of your marriage. He dismisses your feelings and treats you with disrespect. Move on. x

ukgift2016 · 01/05/2020 16:56

OP your husband having an emotional affair. Ignoring it at this point will do nothing but allow them to progress in the affair and with their feelings.

If you want to save your marriage. Your have to be tough, your have to tell him to choose between you and this other woman. All contact outside work has to STOP.

Grow stronger even if you have to fake it. I am sorry you are going through this but this isn't the time to let things slide.

B0bbin · 01/05/2020 16:57

He might not be cheating but he's definitely crossed a line and is way over it. Don't let him make you feel you're being paranoid any more. He's lucky you've not kicked him out.

Itsallgonewoowoo · 01/05/2020 17:06

My DH also did this. One person in his work life raised my hackles. It went on for 2 years, them getting closer and closer. Best friends, any time I said anything negative about her I was the bad guy. Long story short, it was only when it got to the stage she sent him sexts and said they should meet to, 'get it out of their system', that he ended it. Told me everything, admitted he'd been wrong and a knob. Blocked her, and went to councilling.
Shirley Glass, 'not just friends' made him see he was a walking cliche and he says he wishes he had read it before it went too far.

myangelalex · 01/05/2020 17:09

He's having an emotional affair, which he wants to progress to a full blown one. He's lied to you consistently. He's tried conning you into thinking it's nothing. He's waiting for her to consent to an affair, then he will dump you. In the meantime he's stringing you along.

You've given him one chance and the lying continues.

You have plenty of evidence for a divorce court.

If you stay he will continue to make a fool of you. I would have zero trust and zero love for someone who showed me such contempt. All love would die in an instance. Wake up to this and end it for your sanity.

Magicpaintbrush · 01/05/2020 17:14

He is being an absolute bastard treating you this way and making you feel as though you are in the wrong to be worried about it - he is gaslighting his arse off!! Your only 'crime' in this scenario is that you are not 'new' anymore and she is. I hope he wakes up and realises the value of what he stands to lose all for the sake of a fantasy. He is pathetic. Don't for a second let him convince you you are being unreasonable - you aren't! You are well within your rights to leave him over this.

Sit him down and ask him why is he with you, and see what he says. Tell him to look at you as a human being and woman and stop treating you like a piece of furniture in the background or an inconvenience in his life. If he can't remember why he even married you, if he can't really 'see' you anymore, then he doesn't deserve your love.

Frankola · 01/05/2020 17:16

This might not be a physical affair but it's definitely an emotional one.

The fact you have asked your husband to stop this behaviour several times and him simply changing means of communication just solidifies this for me.

If I were you I would be planning on leaving.

ducksback · 01/05/2020 17:18

OP I am so sorry. It would be all over for me.

ZoeandChandon · 01/05/2020 17:23

As others have said, it’s an emotional affair. Sorry you are going through this.

Chickoletta · 01/05/2020 17:27

It’s an emotional affair even if it’s not a physical one. I agree with PPs - take photographs of everything you’ve seen. I’d count the messages so that you can say they sent x number of messages in a week.

Think about what you want to do next. Are you prepared to give him one more ultimatum or is this it? If so, spend time putting plans in place before you do anything else.

For comparison, I have a male best friend whom I work with and also spend a lot of time with socially. We talk most days via text and email, both about work and other things, and have coffee/drinks together most weeks. However, he also knows and gets on well with my DH and is godfather to our youngest child. I can say with 100% honesty that there is nothing in our messages etc that I would hide from DH - they all come up on our shared iPad as well as my phone. DH does not feel jealous of my friend because there is nothing to be jealous of. It is possible to have this kind of relationship innocently but your husband’s friendship is entirely different from this, I’m afraid.

MotherofTerriers · 01/05/2020 17:37

Its an affair, whether its physical yet or not. Hard to leave or make him leave while lockdown is on, but you can use the time productively. take screenshots of all those messages, or forward them to yourself. Have a telephone appointment with a solicitor, ask what evidence they will need (payslips, marriage certificate etc) and start gathering it. Read chumplady, read up on what your rights are, get your head round what you want to happen. Then you can sit him down when you are ready and either ask him to leave, or ask him to cut all contact with her. You can't go on like this, he is treating you appaulingly.

FannytheW0nderDog · 01/05/2020 17:39

This happened to me. It''s really painful at the time but you will be better off without his duplicitous ass in the long run. Please be courageous enough to do the dumping and to not listen to his pleas of 'it's not what you think' or " you are overreacting". Colleagues do not spend hours on the phone flirting. This is an affair whether or not sex has taken place.

hertoehurts · 01/05/2020 17:41

I agree with the other posters I'm afraid. If he's not already cheating he soon will. It reminds me a little of when I met my partner. He had split up with his wife but they had remained best friends. I had months of him sneaking off to answer calls, funny things I sent him he'd forward to her. Constantly texting and always on WhatsApp and tagging each other on Facebook. It drove me nuts. I called him out on it and gave him an ultimatum. Stop completely or we're over. He stopped and we're still together 2 years later with the promise of complete openness. If he values you and your marriage and loves you, then you, as his wife should come first over any spurious friendship and he should stop immediately. If he doesn't I'd show him the door. Sorry Op x

Olgathebrickshed · 01/05/2020 17:44

I agree with PPs - take photographs of everything you’ve seen. I’d count the messages so that you can say they sent x number of messages in a week

No - it really doesn't make the blindest bit of difference (in legal terms) who did or said what. The law is not interested in 'fault' when it comes to divorce. My XH did some horrendous things, and they just came under the umbrella of "unreasonable behaviour" when it came to citing a reason on the forms. I had his diaries, photographs of things, etc, etc - they were of no interest at all to my lawyer, any more than a hundred million screenshots of my messages with OM would have been to XH's lawyer.

TryingAndFailing39 · 01/05/2020 17:48

Yanbu to be upset but I’m not sure I’d class this as an emotional affair, just a friendship that is close and needs the boundaries reconsidering.

MotherofTerriers · 01/05/2020 17:49

The lawyers won't be interested in "fault". But without that evidence he will tell the OP she is overreacting, imagining things etc. He will tell family that she is overreacting and imagining things.

If he knows that she has proof that this went way way beyond occasional messaging, and of how disloyal he has been, he will have to face up to it.
Lawyers will need evidence of income, assets etc, so its a good time to gather that, and to think about what the OP wants, eg does she want to leave with the children, or him to leave?

Summerofloaf · 01/05/2020 17:55

No you’re not being unreasonable.

I don’t think using words like you must ‘confront’ him or labels like ‘emotional affair’ are very helpful.

You might want to talk to him about how you’re feeling, talk to him about how his behaviour is making you feel. Good communication and an honest, non accusatory conversation is most likely to help you find a way forward.

But if you are going to ask honest questions then do prepare yourself for honest answers. Lockdown or not you can always find a reason not to start this conversation. Is there ever a right time? Good luck.

momtoboys · 01/05/2020 17:59

I am so sorry. I'd be packing his stuff and sending him out in the pandemic. Maybe she'll take his cheating ass in. You don't deserve this. He has checked out.

Suzie6789 · 01/05/2020 17:59

This is an emotional affair, if not yet a physical one. He’s doing it right under your nose too!
Many red flags but they key ones are, the sneakiness of changing the method is messaging, meeting the kids and the forwarding of your memes without acknowledging them to you. Sorry OP.

Merryoldgoat · 01/05/2020 18:02

Honestly. What a shit he is.

Ducks in a row and then make your move.

Get copies of all those messages too.

FiddlefigOnTheRoof · 01/05/2020 18:10

He either doesn’t know the normal boundaries or doesn’t care. He is way way way over the boundaries of a ‘normal’ expected married relationship.

IdblowJonSnow · 01/05/2020 18:11

Yanbu. You've already given him a chance but he has taken the piss and then some. He sounds deeply attached to this woman and has overstepped the mark in so many ways.
I'd tell him to go.

ooooohbetty · 01/05/2020 18:19

You know don't you OP that he is taking the piss. As is she. She knows he is married with a child and she is encouraging his disgusting behaviour They are both a pair of twats who deserve each other. Do the sensible things that others have suggested re financed and photograph or screenshot all your evidence of the messages. Good luck.

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