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Should I be worried about husband's colleague?

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Smm7 · 01/05/2020 11:55

Hi mums
This is my first time posting but I feel like I'm going out of my mind and I really need some advice please. My husband and I have been together for almost 15 years, and we've had our ups and downs like normal couples but mostly things have always been great. He's a good man, he's always treated me well, supportive both emotionally and financially, and is an amazing father to our children. However, he's developed a really close friendship with a woman he works with and I'm not sure if I should be worried or if I'm overreacting. To give you some back story, I became aware of this woman last year when my husband took our little girl to his office and she came back talking about this woman and how she's daddy's best friend. She's young, single and very pretty. Her name has popped up a few times since then and I've always had a bit of an off feeling about their friendship, but I put it down to my own insecurity. When the lockdown started, both my husband and I had to start working from home and he would spend hours every day speaking to her on the phone- they would call each other constantly throughout the day and it was rarely ever work related. His voice always changed when he spoke to her. He'd speak a lot more quietly, and would sound really flirty and giggled constantly. I'd hear him telling her non-work related things that he hadn't told me about. I felt hurt because it got to the point where he barely said a word to me but would be talking to her all day. Eventually I got really upset and told him how I felt. He reassured me she was just a friend but that he would tone it down. That didn't happen, he just got more secretive about talking to her. One day he went out in the garden to work, and when I went outside he was on his webcam with her. They also continued to have their hours-long conversations but he got sneaky about it. He'd close the door thinking I wouldn't be able to hear, and hide her name on his screen (his work calls come through his laptop and the name displays on the screen). The secrecy of it made me paranoid that there really was something to worry about. Again, after one too many calls listening to them giggling and teasing each other, I got upset but this this time I flipped out and said if we weren't in lockdown I'd be packing my bags (maybe an overreaction). This time he got upset and said there was absolutely nothing going on, he loved me, she was just a good friend etc etc. The next morning he was very loving, constantly reassuring me, apologising that he'd been neglecting me. For a while things got better. He still spoke to her on the phone, but not nearly as much and I started to feel better, until one day I saw Facebook messages from her popping up on his phone. It was a Sunday so I felt a bit pissed off that she was encroaching on our time away from work but I tried not to get upset about it. I know it's bad but I thought I could go on his tablet and look at the messages she'd sent him. However, he has deleted the Facebook app off his tablet. Then last week he got a new phone and has now changed the pin number he has always used (I know at this point I sound like a jealous, paranoid wife but I absolutely swear I never normally check his phone/tablet- I only knew his pin number because it's the same one we use for all our devices. Before all this I completely trusted him and felt no need to check up on him). The other night I saw Facebook messages flashing up from her again and I got cross. He was annoyed and acted like I was being unreasonable, saying he only messaged her 'occasionally' so I apologised and said I didn't want him to end his friendship with her, it's my problem and I need to learn to deal with it and stop being jealous. Last night I managed to get into his Facebook account on his old phone (he doesn't know I did this. He'd deleted the app but when I downloaded it again, the login information had been saved). I read all the messages, even though it took me a couple of hours (there were that many). At first I felt reassured as there was nothing to suggest they've had any kind of inappropriate contact. However, the sheer volume of messages is unbelievable. I'm lucky to get a reply when I message him, but for the past couple of months, they've literally messaged each other from first thing in the morning to late into the night, all day every day (so much for toning it down- he's just got another way to contact her). The messages were pretty much daily before that, although there weren't as many. She sends him selfies (again, nothing inappropriate but wtf is she sending my husband photos of herself?). There are messages from him late at night asking if she's out (I assume those are from when he's been on nights out and wants to meet her). There was one night when he and I were both out with our friends separately and had arranged to meet later in the evening. There are messages to her that night asking if she was out, while at the same time he was also messaging me arranging when/where we were going to meet (I'm assuming he was trying to find out if he could meet up with her first). He talks to her about pretty much every aspect of his personal life, telling her all kinds of silly little things- the kids, his hobbies, friends of his she hasn't even met, funny things that have happened in his day etc but he never mentions me at all. There's lots of teasing each other, some mild sexual banter although nothing terrible and not about each other. He teases her about how many admirers she has at work, how many of the guys (and girls apparently) fancy her. There are messages asking her if she wants to go to gigs (this is really hurtful as he goes to lots of gigs but rarely asks me to go). One of the gigs he asked her to go to was one I'd told him about but he didn't invite me to go. He sends her cute animal memes and videos. If I send him something funny, he never responds but he has forwarded loads of the stuff I've sent him to her (no personal messages, just funny memes and videos I've sent him). I don't know if I'm being petty but I'm just so hurt by it. I've never contacted any of my close friends nearly to the extent that he contacts her, and they only met each other last year! I do believe nothing physical has happened between them as I think it's impossible to message each other so much without making any reference to it, but I can't help but think there are definitely feelings there. I'm going out of my mind with anxiety and today I feel so low. I just want to get away and try to get my head together but obviously with the lockdown, that's not possible. Am I overreacting and being paranoid? Or am I right to be hurt? I honestly don't know what to think right now, my head is all over the place. I feel like this is all I think about now and I just want to be happy again 😔

OP posts:
Qwerty543 · 02/05/2020 12:42

You're under-reacting if anything. He's a twat.

momtoboys · 02/05/2020 17:48

Has the OP come back? When we are ghosted I always wonder if the situation is real? How she is ok.

VenusTiger · 02/05/2020 18:08

@momtoboys - yes I noticed that - 11 pages of advice and nothing from the OP - no discussion whatsoever. @Smm7 is everything okay? We're here if you need us.

Marnie76 · 02/05/2020 18:22

Momtoboys maybe I’m naive but I think there was too much detail for it not to be real. I wonder if things have really hit the fan. OP I hope you are ok.

Aridane · 02/05/2020 21:01

Hey, it’s only a day since OP posted - hardly ghosting

Rathersexyfortysomethingblonde · 03/05/2020 09:17

Any update
@Smm7

Nixee2231 · 03/05/2020 09:45

I felt heartbroken for you reading how much you are doubting and blaming yourself when you should have absolutely no guilt about being "paranoid"!

This is something men have taught us, that being emotional is being "hysterical", that being suspicious is being "paranoid", being upset is "overreacting" and the list goes on and on...

Even if your husband wasn't being an absolute dipshit, you would be entitled to your feelings. But from everything you said it sounds like he is in love with her, and them sleeping together is not a matter of "if", but "when".

I'm so sorry you are going through this. I really hope you end up coming out of it trusting and respecting your feelings, because you deserve that, and not someone who has absolutely no regard for them.

bluemoon77 · 03/05/2020 09:53

I know how absolutely heartbreaking it is when this happens because it happened to my mum. It was an awful time for all the family, my dad ripped our family apart, but with him it was a succession of different women. I don’t just blame the man but the woman too when she knows the man is married. I could NEVER do that to another woman, putting her through all that pain.

Pair of selfish heartless fuckers.

Hannah021 · 03/05/2020 10:02

Them contacting each other on the weekends and evenings is plain wrong and to me, it is emotional cheating.
both are dickheads but ur husband is allowing all of this to this to happen

Smm77 · 03/05/2020 13:19

Hi everyone, this is the op. I have a slightly different username as I had a freak out, deleted my account and then realised how rude it was not to have updated you at all when most of you have been so kind and concerned about me (Mumsnet wouldn't let me sign back up with the same username as before).

So to update you all, after all your replies, I realised the problem wasn't me. Deep down I knew the truth, but I always second guess and doubt myself, and I think really I was hoping you'd all say it was nothing.

On Friday afternoon I confronted my husband. At first he tried to make light of it, saying it was nothing, she was just a friend etc etc but I showed him my post on here and some of your replies and the enormity of the situation started to sink in. One of the lovely ladies who replied had pasted a couple of links to articles about emotional affairs and I made him read them. He then broke down and admitted he's been having an emotional affair. I know lots of you will think I'm being an idiot to believe him, but I've known this man for 15 years and I can always tell when he's lying. He swore there has been absolutely no physical contact. They also haven't had any kind of discussion about their feelings for each other. He admitted he does find her attractive, and for him it has been a massive ego boost to have the hot woman from the office that everyone wants showing him all this attention. He said he convinced himself that because they hadn't done anything physically, and because they hadn't actually talked about feelings or admitted fancying each other, he wasn't really doing anything wrong. In his mind, it would never have gone any further. Despite all the times he invited her out, they never actually went out alone together and have only been out together on work nights out when everyone else from the office was there. He obviously now realises how devastatingly wrong he was. He can't stop apologising, he's absolutely ashamed and gutted by his behaviour and the possibility that he could lose me. He's obviously going to cut off all contact with her and has begged me to forgive him. He's promised to tell me if she tries to contact him.

I've told him that it's going to take time for me to get past this. I can't stop thinking about it and new questions about their relationship keep popping into my head, but he's told me to ask him anything, he will go over the same conversation over and over if that's what it takes. He has told me to check his phone, Facebook etc whenever I need to, I don't need to check with him. He really does seem so sorry. I love him with all my heart and I want my marriage to work so I'm going to give him another chance. I've made it very clear that if he contacts her again, or does anything like this again in the future, that will be it, I can't go through this again.

I know some of you will think I'm a fool, but I have to follow my heart and I truly believe we can make this work. Thank you so much to everyone who replied and was concerned about me- I really appreciate that you all took time out to write me a reply and offer me your advice, so thank you xxx

CurlyEndive · 03/05/2020 13:22

Thanks for coming on to update us OP. That's great that he has apologised. I hope everything works out for you Smile

2004SavedMe · 03/05/2020 13:29

I hope it all works out for you.

VenusClapTrap · 03/05/2020 13:30

Op I’m really happy to read this. I hope he is being honest and sincere and that you can find a way through it. It sounds like there’s hope for your marriage - you might even come out of this stronger, although I’m sure it will take time. A lot of time. All the best. Flowers

Futurenostalgia · 03/05/2020 13:33

I think you were right to confront him and I hope he means it. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he might have been getting carried away with it all but deep down he knows it’s not on.

LynzP85 · 03/05/2020 13:46

I just read your post to my husband and his response was that this is an emotional affair and you need to decide if you want to stay and fix things - can you forgive and trust again.... or prepare to leave!

Is there a friend or family member you can contact to get support?

Is there anywhere else you&kids or he could go to give space? Under lockdown rules you are able to go to an alternative house if an argument has occurred - particularly if kids are involved.

Maybe he needs to appreciate what is has put at stake for all these Facebook messages!!

I hope you find a way forward that puts YOU and YOUR kids first! X

BananaBabies · 03/05/2020 14:24

Thanks so much for updating. I think you have done absolutely the right thing. I don't regret at all having given my DP a second chance when he did something similar. Like your DH he was in denial to himself about what he was doing. When he was confronted with the potential consequences, and the affect on me, he totally realised that everything had to change. There have been no problems since. It gave us both a much better understanding about where the boundaries need to be drawn in relationships. Basically, anything that is secret is worrying.

It sounds like your DH has understood. You'll be wary for some time, and that's okay. Keep talking about it. It will be painful for a while. But it sounds to me like you will get through this. Very very best wishes for the future. xx

VenusTiger · 03/05/2020 14:25

@LynzP85 see post at 13:19 above.

@Smm77 - I'm pleased for you, obviously not happy, but pleased that you've managed to get this all out in the open with him - secrets and lies just don't work in any kind of relationship. I really hope your DH is going to have some kind of closure though with the colleague - I don't think he should tell her what's gone on at home or that he's attracted to her, or even why he's cutting contact - but maybe you should both write a message together to her, just spelling out that he's realised how much time he's spending chatting to her and how little time he's spending with his family and that it's unhealthy and she maybe needs to seek the attention of other friends now and let him have his family time back again - or something along those lines - whatever you do, don't let her think she's squeezing in on his life in any way. I just don't think stopping all contact without a reason as to why is going to do either of you any good - she'll be left wondering why and she might think it's you who has stopped contact and she'll find other means and ways. She needs to be told to back off but in a way that appears kind of casual.

Good luck to you both Flowers

BananaBabies · 03/05/2020 14:29

by the way... my DP and I agreed that he needed to send the woman in question a message saying basically that he realised their contact had been inappropriate so it wouldn't be continuing. I vetted the message beforehand :). To be fair she replied to say that she of course understood and wouldn't at all want to cause trouble. And that was that. It was a helpful way to draw a line under things for us.

LynzP85 · 03/05/2020 14:35

@VenusTiger thanks - not sure how I missed that! Might have been when hubby and I were discussing the original post!

cstaff · 03/05/2020 14:50

Hi OP. That is about the best reaction you could have expected from your dh. What you need to do now is just follow up on what he has promised. Best of luck Flowers

Hannah021 · 03/05/2020 15:41

@Smm77 u need to ask him to change jobs, if he tries, she probably wont leave him alone. I wouldnt trust him in the same place. Changing jobs isnt a big deal, it frightens me how some ppl stay in the same place for years and years... They lose themselves, they lose the excitement and challenge.

BigFatGoalie · 03/05/2020 15:56

That’s such good news OP.
Stay and fight for your marriage together, but continue to be wise and keep your eyes open. I’m so happy to hear he’s realised what he has done and that he’s willing to change. It takes a lot of strength and courage to do what you are doing, regardless of what people (may) think-follow your heart.
Wishing you nothing but happiness. Flowers

MashedPotatoBrainz · 03/05/2020 16:14

Nobody thinks you're a fool. You know him, we don't. You're best positioned to know if he's telling you the truth. You instincts were right before, they're most likely right now. Learn to trust yourself more.

Merryoldgoat · 03/05/2020 17:04

Sounds like you dealt with that very well OP. Much luck to you - well done for dealing with it head on.

FizzyGreenWater · 03/05/2020 17:09

Good luck.

Watch for changes in behaviour and a hidden phone.