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Should I be worried about husband's colleague?

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Smm7 · 01/05/2020 11:55

Hi mums
This is my first time posting but I feel like I'm going out of my mind and I really need some advice please. My husband and I have been together for almost 15 years, and we've had our ups and downs like normal couples but mostly things have always been great. He's a good man, he's always treated me well, supportive both emotionally and financially, and is an amazing father to our children. However, he's developed a really close friendship with a woman he works with and I'm not sure if I should be worried or if I'm overreacting. To give you some back story, I became aware of this woman last year when my husband took our little girl to his office and she came back talking about this woman and how she's daddy's best friend. She's young, single and very pretty. Her name has popped up a few times since then and I've always had a bit of an off feeling about their friendship, but I put it down to my own insecurity. When the lockdown started, both my husband and I had to start working from home and he would spend hours every day speaking to her on the phone- they would call each other constantly throughout the day and it was rarely ever work related. His voice always changed when he spoke to her. He'd speak a lot more quietly, and would sound really flirty and giggled constantly. I'd hear him telling her non-work related things that he hadn't told me about. I felt hurt because it got to the point where he barely said a word to me but would be talking to her all day. Eventually I got really upset and told him how I felt. He reassured me she was just a friend but that he would tone it down. That didn't happen, he just got more secretive about talking to her. One day he went out in the garden to work, and when I went outside he was on his webcam with her. They also continued to have their hours-long conversations but he got sneaky about it. He'd close the door thinking I wouldn't be able to hear, and hide her name on his screen (his work calls come through his laptop and the name displays on the screen). The secrecy of it made me paranoid that there really was something to worry about. Again, after one too many calls listening to them giggling and teasing each other, I got upset but this this time I flipped out and said if we weren't in lockdown I'd be packing my bags (maybe an overreaction). This time he got upset and said there was absolutely nothing going on, he loved me, she was just a good friend etc etc. The next morning he was very loving, constantly reassuring me, apologising that he'd been neglecting me. For a while things got better. He still spoke to her on the phone, but not nearly as much and I started to feel better, until one day I saw Facebook messages from her popping up on his phone. It was a Sunday so I felt a bit pissed off that she was encroaching on our time away from work but I tried not to get upset about it. I know it's bad but I thought I could go on his tablet and look at the messages she'd sent him. However, he has deleted the Facebook app off his tablet. Then last week he got a new phone and has now changed the pin number he has always used (I know at this point I sound like a jealous, paranoid wife but I absolutely swear I never normally check his phone/tablet- I only knew his pin number because it's the same one we use for all our devices. Before all this I completely trusted him and felt no need to check up on him). The other night I saw Facebook messages flashing up from her again and I got cross. He was annoyed and acted like I was being unreasonable, saying he only messaged her 'occasionally' so I apologised and said I didn't want him to end his friendship with her, it's my problem and I need to learn to deal with it and stop being jealous. Last night I managed to get into his Facebook account on his old phone (he doesn't know I did this. He'd deleted the app but when I downloaded it again, the login information had been saved). I read all the messages, even though it took me a couple of hours (there were that many). At first I felt reassured as there was nothing to suggest they've had any kind of inappropriate contact. However, the sheer volume of messages is unbelievable. I'm lucky to get a reply when I message him, but for the past couple of months, they've literally messaged each other from first thing in the morning to late into the night, all day every day (so much for toning it down- he's just got another way to contact her). The messages were pretty much daily before that, although there weren't as many. She sends him selfies (again, nothing inappropriate but wtf is she sending my husband photos of herself?). There are messages from him late at night asking if she's out (I assume those are from when he's been on nights out and wants to meet her). There was one night when he and I were both out with our friends separately and had arranged to meet later in the evening. There are messages to her that night asking if she was out, while at the same time he was also messaging me arranging when/where we were going to meet (I'm assuming he was trying to find out if he could meet up with her first). He talks to her about pretty much every aspect of his personal life, telling her all kinds of silly little things- the kids, his hobbies, friends of his she hasn't even met, funny things that have happened in his day etc but he never mentions me at all. There's lots of teasing each other, some mild sexual banter although nothing terrible and not about each other. He teases her about how many admirers she has at work, how many of the guys (and girls apparently) fancy her. There are messages asking her if she wants to go to gigs (this is really hurtful as he goes to lots of gigs but rarely asks me to go). One of the gigs he asked her to go to was one I'd told him about but he didn't invite me to go. He sends her cute animal memes and videos. If I send him something funny, he never responds but he has forwarded loads of the stuff I've sent him to her (no personal messages, just funny memes and videos I've sent him). I don't know if I'm being petty but I'm just so hurt by it. I've never contacted any of my close friends nearly to the extent that he contacts her, and they only met each other last year! I do believe nothing physical has happened between them as I think it's impossible to message each other so much without making any reference to it, but I can't help but think there are definitely feelings there. I'm going out of my mind with anxiety and today I feel so low. I just want to get away and try to get my head together but obviously with the lockdown, that's not possible. Am I overreacting and being paranoid? Or am I right to be hurt? I honestly don't know what to think right now, my head is all over the place. I feel like this is all I think about now and I just want to be happy again 😔

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Sunshineandflipflops · 01/05/2020 14:08

If they aren't having a physical relationship yet they will be when they get the chance, trust me.

I guess it's down to you whether you let it get that far.

Slave2love · 01/05/2020 14:09

I really feel for you and you have every right to be hurt. I was in a similar situation a few years ago where my husband and a younger female colleague were getting along a little too well. I've never been one to snoop but one day when my son was playing games on my husband's phone I had a quick look through his messages and found messages to this young woman. Some were completely innocent, every day things but scattered amongst them were some inappropriate messages, mainly from my husband. It tore me apart as he just didnt seem the type. I made it clear all contact with her was to stop (she'd moved on to another job by then) and I chose to stay with him. I like to think he hasnt spoken to her since but I honestly wouldnt know for sure. Maybe he has just become better at hiding it. My advise to someone else in this situation would be to tell him to do one but I know it's not that simple and I havent taken my own advice that's for sure. It eats away at me every day thinking about it.

TheGirlWithAPrince · 01/05/2020 14:10

The fact that you have told him you would leave and he is still doing it just shows how kuch he just doesnt respect you enough and he doesnt really care.

His friendship is apparently more important than his marriage or family.

AllyBamma · 01/05/2020 14:11

If he had even a shred of respect for you he would have ceased all contact the first time you raised the issue. It’s 100% an emotional affair and that would be the end for me. Make him accountable for his actions and pack HIS bags.

Shamoo · 01/05/2020 14:13

Agree with @OoohTheStatsDontLie - I normally come on these posts about women at work and think it’s a complete overreaction. In your case however your husband’s conduct is completely inappropriate. He either needs to stop it immediately or I would leave.

The lying along should be enough, but the nature of the contact and conversations is completely unacceptable.

I’m very sorry xx

amijustparanoidorjuststoned · 01/05/2020 14:14

Oh OP. Flowers

Just reading this made my heart break a little bit. My ex boyfriend had a colleague like this. He would stay over her house after nights out, have sexual flirty banter without actually doing anything with her, and then gaslighted me telling me the problem was all in my head and that I was a "paranoid bitch" (nice, eh?)

His colleague swore that there was nothing going on. Cool, I thought... until a few months later when there were very suggestive messages to other women on his phone.

I broke up with him, and then he ended up getting together with the previous colleague in question for a bit.

If I was you, I would sit and give him an ultimatum. I really hope for you it is as innocent and silly as he makes out. Sending you all the love.

Lailaloo747 · 01/05/2020 14:16

Oh OP this all sounds really tough.
I think regardless of him having an emotional affair or not, he’s completely disregarded your feelings and just turned in to a sneaky shit bag.
So affair or no affair, he cares more about himself and his pretty little work mate, than you.

Inconnu · 01/05/2020 14:22

My DH has several female friends and gets on well with his female work colleagues, but the amount of contact you describe would be completely unacceptable to me.

Can you look into couples counselling? I believe it can be accessed online during the lockdown.

Josette77 · 01/05/2020 14:23

This is an affair. Sexual or not, he's cheating. I'm so sorry.

quarantinevibes · 01/05/2020 14:24

Sorry but lockdown or no lockdown his bags would be packed. This is absolutely inappropriate, he’s having an emotional affair at the very least. I’m not sure how you’ve tolerated this much to be honest. I’m so sorry op Flowers

TrulyThere · 01/05/2020 14:24

If it were innocent you would’ve been mentioned a lot in the hours worth of Facebook messages you were reading. My wife and I are doing this that and the other today. Because that’s what happens when friends are chatting (especially that often). Instead it sounds like he’s pretending you don’t exist to her and inviting her out on a date (eg to the gig) and trying to meet up with her. Honestly just so disgusting.

Don’t let him gaslight you. It’s clear he has a massive crush and wants more than just a friendship. Incredibly disrespectful when you told him your feelings and instead of respecting you he hid his behaviour.

I’m so sorry you are going through this

Rainycloudyday · 01/05/2020 14:26

Echo everyone else. This is beyond unacceptable and he is doing a number on you making you feel you have ANYTHING to apologise for. Get angry, muster up all your self respect and (after screen shotting everything) tell him it’s decision time, end the friendship or move out. And mean it. He will either fall apart and realise what the hell he has risked and end the friendship immediately, or will attempt to manipulate and gas light you then carry on even more secretively. If it’s the latter the marriage is over. If it’s the former, there’s a chance, but he’d have an awful lot of repairs work to do if it was my DH. Not sure I could ever forgive even an emotional affair if I’m honest.

You sound lovely and I’m sorry this is happening to you.

nanbread · 01/05/2020 14:27

This is an affair. Sexual or not, he's cheating. I'm so sorry.

This - honestly, I think I might be more hurt by this than if my DH slept with someone else in a one night stand. There's no way he can innocently pretend he doesn't know how inappropriate and hurtful this is. The amount of effort and investment that's gone into this is sickening, and the fact he doesn't give enough of a shit about you to stop despite your chat tells me your relationship is as good as over anyway.

happywifi99 · 01/05/2020 14:29

I have close male friends who are like my family. However, I treat them like my family. This is something entirely different - he's treating her like a partner which is incredibly disrespectful to you. Not even mentioning you? I tell my friends about my partner all the time.
This isn't ok, I think you know that. I'm so sorry, but I would be packing his bags and kicking him out. He clearly has somewhere to go

AravisTarkheena · 01/05/2020 14:31

I’m normally pretty relaxed by MN standards over this kind of thing but this clearly takes the biscuit.

Franticbutterfly · 01/05/2020 14:33

The same thing happened to me a couple of years ago. It turned out that they were having an affair. I knew for quite a while before I had the actual proof...I think you know in your heart that his heart is no longer in it with you. If you chuck him out there's a good chance that he will come to his senses but lots of damage has already been doing. Even if they haven't actually slept together it's an emotional affair and that's (almost) as bad. Hand hold is here from me. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Thanks

chirrupy · 01/05/2020 14:35

You are bit being remotely petty. Don't put up with it.

Redredwine99 · 01/05/2020 14:36

I’d show him this post and see how he reacts.

chirrupy · 01/05/2020 14:36

Meant to add... I'm really sorry, I'd be absolutely devastated if my DH was behaving like this Thanks

localbunny · 01/05/2020 14:36

I have no advice, I'm just so sorry Flowers

lockdownlowdown · 01/05/2020 14:36

Anyone else want to punch this guy 😡

Halestorm · 01/05/2020 14:37

This is a full on emotional affair and hurtling towards a physical one if it hasn't already gone there. This is, to all and sundry, a relationship.
Ask him to leave. He's done so much that's crossed the line it actually doesn't matter if he has actually had sex with her or not. Emotional intimacy with someone other than your DW. Secrets. Discussions you are excluded from. Sexual banter. Date nights! Lies on his part where he's told you he'll tone it down but instead he lied to you.

Someone I know was the DH in this. His wife and he had a wide circle of friends, male and female and it was only this ONE woman DW had a gut reaction to. She saw the level and intensity of friendly messages and asked him to stop -several times. He promised to tone it down or reduce contact but never really did - or never did for long.
Eventually they did cross the line into the physical act, DW found out almost immediately and chucked him out. Nearly a year later they've tried to reconcile but tbh, they are hanging on by a thread and probably will split for good. The beginning of what happened to this couple is mirrored in what you are going through now. The only way that you can ensure that the end of your relationship doesn't mirror theirs is to act decisively and quickly now - if you separate and initiate divorce proceedings you are showing him that you won't tolerate being the second-best woman in his life, and he will either cop on and stay with you -fully- realising what he's risking or he will go to her. And if it's the latter, he was going there anyway, you booting him out was only saving yourself the heartache of being an unwilling spectator to their budding romance.

quietheart · 01/05/2020 14:37

You have been open and honest, told him how you feel and given him the benefit of the doubt.

He has lied to you, betrayed you and disrespected you. Doesn't matter how he tries to dress it up all the time and energy spent on her is taking away time and energy that could be spent with you and the children.

Sorry I would not accept this from my OH. Your husband is way too invested in her Sad

Poppi89 · 01/05/2020 14:38

I don't think he is having an affair and I was going to say your unreasonable as they sound like good friends and you've already said there's no flirting or inappropriate chat and that he does it openly. I also have a male friend who I speak to nearly every day.

However! A few things don't sit right - him saying how many people fancy her, him starting to get sneaky, getting a new phone etc.
I think if we weren't in lockdown then I would ber quite worried.

However I have no advice on what you should do as you can't tell someone who they can and can't speak to. It could also make him more sneaky which will make you more paranoid or miss something that he's hiding.

chirrupy · 01/05/2020 14:39

Yes! @lockdownlowdown

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