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Should I be worried about husband's colleague?

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Smm7 · 01/05/2020 11:55

Hi mums
This is my first time posting but I feel like I'm going out of my mind and I really need some advice please. My husband and I have been together for almost 15 years, and we've had our ups and downs like normal couples but mostly things have always been great. He's a good man, he's always treated me well, supportive both emotionally and financially, and is an amazing father to our children. However, he's developed a really close friendship with a woman he works with and I'm not sure if I should be worried or if I'm overreacting. To give you some back story, I became aware of this woman last year when my husband took our little girl to his office and she came back talking about this woman and how she's daddy's best friend. She's young, single and very pretty. Her name has popped up a few times since then and I've always had a bit of an off feeling about their friendship, but I put it down to my own insecurity. When the lockdown started, both my husband and I had to start working from home and he would spend hours every day speaking to her on the phone- they would call each other constantly throughout the day and it was rarely ever work related. His voice always changed when he spoke to her. He'd speak a lot more quietly, and would sound really flirty and giggled constantly. I'd hear him telling her non-work related things that he hadn't told me about. I felt hurt because it got to the point where he barely said a word to me but would be talking to her all day. Eventually I got really upset and told him how I felt. He reassured me she was just a friend but that he would tone it down. That didn't happen, he just got more secretive about talking to her. One day he went out in the garden to work, and when I went outside he was on his webcam with her. They also continued to have their hours-long conversations but he got sneaky about it. He'd close the door thinking I wouldn't be able to hear, and hide her name on his screen (his work calls come through his laptop and the name displays on the screen). The secrecy of it made me paranoid that there really was something to worry about. Again, after one too many calls listening to them giggling and teasing each other, I got upset but this this time I flipped out and said if we weren't in lockdown I'd be packing my bags (maybe an overreaction). This time he got upset and said there was absolutely nothing going on, he loved me, she was just a good friend etc etc. The next morning he was very loving, constantly reassuring me, apologising that he'd been neglecting me. For a while things got better. He still spoke to her on the phone, but not nearly as much and I started to feel better, until one day I saw Facebook messages from her popping up on his phone. It was a Sunday so I felt a bit pissed off that she was encroaching on our time away from work but I tried not to get upset about it. I know it's bad but I thought I could go on his tablet and look at the messages she'd sent him. However, he has deleted the Facebook app off his tablet. Then last week he got a new phone and has now changed the pin number he has always used (I know at this point I sound like a jealous, paranoid wife but I absolutely swear I never normally check his phone/tablet- I only knew his pin number because it's the same one we use for all our devices. Before all this I completely trusted him and felt no need to check up on him). The other night I saw Facebook messages flashing up from her again and I got cross. He was annoyed and acted like I was being unreasonable, saying he only messaged her 'occasionally' so I apologised and said I didn't want him to end his friendship with her, it's my problem and I need to learn to deal with it and stop being jealous. Last night I managed to get into his Facebook account on his old phone (he doesn't know I did this. He'd deleted the app but when I downloaded it again, the login information had been saved). I read all the messages, even though it took me a couple of hours (there were that many). At first I felt reassured as there was nothing to suggest they've had any kind of inappropriate contact. However, the sheer volume of messages is unbelievable. I'm lucky to get a reply when I message him, but for the past couple of months, they've literally messaged each other from first thing in the morning to late into the night, all day every day (so much for toning it down- he's just got another way to contact her). The messages were pretty much daily before that, although there weren't as many. She sends him selfies (again, nothing inappropriate but wtf is she sending my husband photos of herself?). There are messages from him late at night asking if she's out (I assume those are from when he's been on nights out and wants to meet her). There was one night when he and I were both out with our friends separately and had arranged to meet later in the evening. There are messages to her that night asking if she was out, while at the same time he was also messaging me arranging when/where we were going to meet (I'm assuming he was trying to find out if he could meet up with her first). He talks to her about pretty much every aspect of his personal life, telling her all kinds of silly little things- the kids, his hobbies, friends of his she hasn't even met, funny things that have happened in his day etc but he never mentions me at all. There's lots of teasing each other, some mild sexual banter although nothing terrible and not about each other. He teases her about how many admirers she has at work, how many of the guys (and girls apparently) fancy her. There are messages asking her if she wants to go to gigs (this is really hurtful as he goes to lots of gigs but rarely asks me to go). One of the gigs he asked her to go to was one I'd told him about but he didn't invite me to go. He sends her cute animal memes and videos. If I send him something funny, he never responds but he has forwarded loads of the stuff I've sent him to her (no personal messages, just funny memes and videos I've sent him). I don't know if I'm being petty but I'm just so hurt by it. I've never contacted any of my close friends nearly to the extent that he contacts her, and they only met each other last year! I do believe nothing physical has happened between them as I think it's impossible to message each other so much without making any reference to it, but I can't help but think there are definitely feelings there. I'm going out of my mind with anxiety and today I feel so low. I just want to get away and try to get my head together but obviously with the lockdown, that's not possible. Am I overreacting and being paranoid? Or am I right to be hurt? I honestly don't know what to think right now, my head is all over the place. I feel like this is all I think about now and I just want to be happy again 😔

OP posts:
Dustyroad63 · 01/05/2020 13:15

He's chosen her feelings over yours. Total disrespect.

He'd be out the door if it was me.

MrsMime · 01/05/2020 13:16

I went through similar but buried my head in the sand and ignored it as I didn't want to face up to it. Big mistake with hindsight and we are no longer together (and that was a contributing factor) but I'm now much happier not being surrounded by lies and secrecy.
I'm so sorry, op, but he has massively overstepped the mark here. You are not overreacting.

BarbedBloom · 01/05/2020 13:17

This is an emotional affair. Be prepared that he may not want to give her up as he has already taken steps to hide it from you. My ex started like this and then it became a full affair. He is married to her now

BacklashStarts · 01/05/2020 13:18

Kick him out is terrible advice - you can’t boot someone out of their own home they have to leave willingly and who would do that currently?

Op only you can say if this is a deal breaker. If it is, show him what you’ve found and tell him what this means for you. If you love him and he loves you you can move past this, if not it’s probably parting times.

Zaphodsotherhead · 01/05/2020 13:18

I can only say what I would try if I were you.

Find a website that gives the definition of Emotional Affair. Put that definition in front of him and ask him if he thinks it's what he is having. Whatever he says, ask him if he thinks it is reasonable or respectful to YOU for him to spend this much time and energy on talking to someone else, whether male or female.

Whatever he says, be prepared to leave. I'm pretty sure he's going to try to defend himself, fib, obfuscate, whatever he thinks he can do to keep the status quo. But it might shock him, you never know.

1FootInTheRave · 01/05/2020 13:18

This already is an affair.

Gather up your self respect and move on.

I wouldn't even contemplate saving a relationship after this. It's sheer betrayal.

Embracelife · 01/05/2020 13:19

Dont worry about her

Do worry about him and your marriage. .

NameChange84 · 01/05/2020 13:19

It’s at the very least an emotional affair. And they are dangerous for everyone involved.

CaptainBlunderpants · 01/05/2020 13:20

Definite emotional affair. He is making her the priority. Screen shot everything.

He has already completely minimised the whole thing more than once to you, don’t give him the opportunity again.

YeahJackie · 01/05/2020 13:21

If he’s not in love with her yet, he will be soon Sad You need to think about leaving.

Jux · 01/05/2020 13:22

It's gone way way too far, hasn't it? He has to make a choice. He is using all his personality on her instead of on his family. You can bet he's fantasizing about her at least.

SneakersandSocks · 01/05/2020 13:22

This sounds like an emotional affair - I know it will be upsetting reading these replies, but your husbands behaviour is not normal. You have already told him how much it upsets you and he has carried on regardless - speak with him again, try and stay calm and strong so he knows you will not just accept his lies and I would want to speak with her too...xx

CoronaMoaner · 01/05/2020 13:23

I mean, in my experience, yes you should be worried.
My exH was like this with friendships with women. Secretive about his phone, lying about who he was messaging, sharing things with them that he didn’t with me, talking to them about our relationship, choosing to see them rather then spend time with me.
If I ever objected or challenged him I was called paranoid, jealous, controlling... you name it.

Eventually I found out he was having an affair with a female colleague (by walking in on them in the act). I know for certain if I hadn’t caught them red handed he would have continued to deny, lie, deceive. Made me feel like I was going crazy.

The thing is, the lies, the friendships, the feeling second best, went on for years before I actually caught him and therefore had proof. Ironically the person he was actually cheating on me with was just one of many ‘friendships’ he had that made me feel uncomfortable.

Looking back now, I wonder why I wasted so much time waiting to be proved right. I knew deep down that he wasn’t being faithful to me. His mind was elsewhere long before his body was. The thing was I didn’t want to ‘throw away’ our marriage on a feeling.

CelestialSpanking · 01/05/2020 13:28

Not unreasonable at all, he’s totally crossed a line and in my experience even if he actually does cut her loose if you confront him about it, you won’t feel the same about him again and it doesn’t change what he’s done- which is basically conduct an emotional affair with her. It tore me apart when my ex did exactly the same thing and even though he wore me down at the time and I gave him another chance everything changed. I would never put up with shit like this again.

Standrewsschool · 01/05/2020 13:31

Defintely an emotional affair. Can’t tell if @nything physical has happened.

I’d be hurt by the frequency and content of their communication. Take screen shots of the communication for your records.

Then decide where you want to go going forward. If you want to salvage the marriage, you need to confront him. Explain how you are aware that he is talking to her from dawn to dusk (you don’t need to reveal your sources), and how she is very much the third partner in the relationship. It’s disrespectful to you and your family. Tell him that if he want the marriage to continue, he needs to cease contact with her (apart from work related matters, only discussed in work hours). He probably thinks that it’s harmless, a platonic friendship, as nothing physical has happened, and maybe enjoys a knight in shining armour role, but stress his priority is to you, not her.

If he fails to understand, make changes, supports her not you, then get rid.

bambinaballerina · 01/05/2020 13:32

First, download the conversation they have on Facebook and keep it as evidence, you will need it.
Second, make plans on how to leave the relationship, have all documents with you, passports etc..
I'm a horrible person, so I'd probably keep giving him hints I know without admitting I have access to his account. That's because he's making you feel guilty and gaslighting you.

miccymaccy · 01/05/2020 13:32

I'd go crazy! It's an emotional affair. @smellingofroses has it spot on - his wife should be his priority, the person he goes to to share his thoughts and feelings, not pouring all this effort into someone else. We are all entitled to have friends but this is above and beyond, doubt he puts that much effort into his best male friends or even his own mum.
Read him the riot act. Make him feel scared. You need to be full of confidence on this, there is nothing more attractive than someone who knows their own self worth.

TheWalkingTalkingRed · 01/05/2020 13:32

I'm so sorry OP if he isn't having a physical relationship with her already, he certainly sounds like he wants to. It's definitely an emotional affair at least. The secrecy and the sheer volume of messages, and time he's taking to speak to her is unacceptable.
Photograph all the messages you've read on your phone, then confront him with his old phone make no apologies, say you've felt uncomfortable about this for a long time and where do you go from here?
I'd be packing his things for a post lockown exi3 personallyt. If you want him to stay that's your choice, but he is to not have any contact with her outside work again, and he's to tell her NOW that he feels the time they are spending talking to each other is disrespectful to his marriage.
His reaction to that will tell you everything you need to know
Good luck OP

BlueJava · 01/05/2020 13:33

Definitely collect evidence for later - I'm sorry OP you are in no way over-reacting and that sounds shit.

MizMoonshine · 01/05/2020 13:35

Hi OP. You need to confront this with evidence.
Keep hold of the phone and leave the messages open. Sit down to talk to him, when you're alone and available to talk at length.
Tell him your concerns again and, when he starts to deny, create excuses or to make you feel paranoid or as though you're acting out, bring out the phone.
Reference the messages, the parts where he has crossed the line, show him the volume of them, show them that it has increased since you have mentioned your discomfort.

Confront him with evidence in hand. Tell him that he is to end his relationship with her if he wishes to continue his relationship with you and decide where you go from there.

It's really important that he and you both understand that, at the very least, this is an emotional affair and it has entirely crossed the boundaries of your relationship.

He needs to admit to what he has done and is doing if you hope to move forward at all.

You have the power in this situation, OP. You know the truth. You need to expose it to him and see what he does, for your peace of mind.

JemSynergy · 01/05/2020 13:35

He sounds infatuated. You are calmer than me because I would have probably said something out loud to him about the whole situation while he was on yet another a call to her. I'd ask him if he would he accept you behaving like this?

DollyDaph10 · 01/05/2020 13:36

He’s having an emotional affair and it needs to stop, now. You need to confront him and say what he is doing is unacceptable and if he doesn’t immediately stop and explain to her that he thinks it’s best they don’t communicate outside of work in order to keep things professional, that you will be packing his bags and he can leave. He is treating you with no respect and it’s appalling.

Bagelsandbrie · 01/05/2020 13:37

My now ex did exactly this to me. He denied he was doing anything other than being friends and then said he didn’t love me anymore and upped and left 2 weeks later. A few weeks after that he “started” seeing the other woman. As if he thought I was that stupid...!

Your dh is an absolute arse. You deserve better.

GatoFofo · 01/05/2020 13:37

This is an emotional affair. Every bit of energy he is putting into his ‘friendship’ with her is energy he’s not putting into his relationship with you. You’ve told him how you feel on two occasions and he’s carried on, secretly. That tells you what is more important to him. I’m sorry, but I’d pack his bags and tell him to go whilst you think about your future.

DollyDaph10 · 01/05/2020 13:39

Also trust your gut. It’s there for a reason, to alert you to danger, and you knew you had a reason to feel uneasy about this.