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Should I be worried about husband's colleague?

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Smm7 · 01/05/2020 11:55

Hi mums
This is my first time posting but I feel like I'm going out of my mind and I really need some advice please. My husband and I have been together for almost 15 years, and we've had our ups and downs like normal couples but mostly things have always been great. He's a good man, he's always treated me well, supportive both emotionally and financially, and is an amazing father to our children. However, he's developed a really close friendship with a woman he works with and I'm not sure if I should be worried or if I'm overreacting. To give you some back story, I became aware of this woman last year when my husband took our little girl to his office and she came back talking about this woman and how she's daddy's best friend. She's young, single and very pretty. Her name has popped up a few times since then and I've always had a bit of an off feeling about their friendship, but I put it down to my own insecurity. When the lockdown started, both my husband and I had to start working from home and he would spend hours every day speaking to her on the phone- they would call each other constantly throughout the day and it was rarely ever work related. His voice always changed when he spoke to her. He'd speak a lot more quietly, and would sound really flirty and giggled constantly. I'd hear him telling her non-work related things that he hadn't told me about. I felt hurt because it got to the point where he barely said a word to me but would be talking to her all day. Eventually I got really upset and told him how I felt. He reassured me she was just a friend but that he would tone it down. That didn't happen, he just got more secretive about talking to her. One day he went out in the garden to work, and when I went outside he was on his webcam with her. They also continued to have their hours-long conversations but he got sneaky about it. He'd close the door thinking I wouldn't be able to hear, and hide her name on his screen (his work calls come through his laptop and the name displays on the screen). The secrecy of it made me paranoid that there really was something to worry about. Again, after one too many calls listening to them giggling and teasing each other, I got upset but this this time I flipped out and said if we weren't in lockdown I'd be packing my bags (maybe an overreaction). This time he got upset and said there was absolutely nothing going on, he loved me, she was just a good friend etc etc. The next morning he was very loving, constantly reassuring me, apologising that he'd been neglecting me. For a while things got better. He still spoke to her on the phone, but not nearly as much and I started to feel better, until one day I saw Facebook messages from her popping up on his phone. It was a Sunday so I felt a bit pissed off that she was encroaching on our time away from work but I tried not to get upset about it. I know it's bad but I thought I could go on his tablet and look at the messages she'd sent him. However, he has deleted the Facebook app off his tablet. Then last week he got a new phone and has now changed the pin number he has always used (I know at this point I sound like a jealous, paranoid wife but I absolutely swear I never normally check his phone/tablet- I only knew his pin number because it's the same one we use for all our devices. Before all this I completely trusted him and felt no need to check up on him). The other night I saw Facebook messages flashing up from her again and I got cross. He was annoyed and acted like I was being unreasonable, saying he only messaged her 'occasionally' so I apologised and said I didn't want him to end his friendship with her, it's my problem and I need to learn to deal with it and stop being jealous. Last night I managed to get into his Facebook account on his old phone (he doesn't know I did this. He'd deleted the app but when I downloaded it again, the login information had been saved). I read all the messages, even though it took me a couple of hours (there were that many). At first I felt reassured as there was nothing to suggest they've had any kind of inappropriate contact. However, the sheer volume of messages is unbelievable. I'm lucky to get a reply when I message him, but for the past couple of months, they've literally messaged each other from first thing in the morning to late into the night, all day every day (so much for toning it down- he's just got another way to contact her). The messages were pretty much daily before that, although there weren't as many. She sends him selfies (again, nothing inappropriate but wtf is she sending my husband photos of herself?). There are messages from him late at night asking if she's out (I assume those are from when he's been on nights out and wants to meet her). There was one night when he and I were both out with our friends separately and had arranged to meet later in the evening. There are messages to her that night asking if she was out, while at the same time he was also messaging me arranging when/where we were going to meet (I'm assuming he was trying to find out if he could meet up with her first). He talks to her about pretty much every aspect of his personal life, telling her all kinds of silly little things- the kids, his hobbies, friends of his she hasn't even met, funny things that have happened in his day etc but he never mentions me at all. There's lots of teasing each other, some mild sexual banter although nothing terrible and not about each other. He teases her about how many admirers she has at work, how many of the guys (and girls apparently) fancy her. There are messages asking her if she wants to go to gigs (this is really hurtful as he goes to lots of gigs but rarely asks me to go). One of the gigs he asked her to go to was one I'd told him about but he didn't invite me to go. He sends her cute animal memes and videos. If I send him something funny, he never responds but he has forwarded loads of the stuff I've sent him to her (no personal messages, just funny memes and videos I've sent him). I don't know if I'm being petty but I'm just so hurt by it. I've never contacted any of my close friends nearly to the extent that he contacts her, and they only met each other last year! I do believe nothing physical has happened between them as I think it's impossible to message each other so much without making any reference to it, but I can't help but think there are definitely feelings there. I'm going out of my mind with anxiety and today I feel so low. I just want to get away and try to get my head together but obviously with the lockdown, that's not possible. Am I overreacting and being paranoid? Or am I right to be hurt? I honestly don't know what to think right now, my head is all over the place. I feel like this is all I think about now and I just want to be happy again 😔

OP posts:
combatbarbie · 01/05/2020 13:39

It's what I would call his work wife and whilst it's not a physical affair its definitely an emotional one.

Just give him the ultimatum.... You or her. If he chooses her you can still kick him out, just because we're on lockdown doesn't prevent this.

Inthepurplerain · 01/05/2020 13:40

Yeah this isn’t normal is it.
He’s either cheating or wishing he was.

So disrespectful to you.

redwoodmazza · 01/05/2020 13:41

I'd be bloody furious.

Botherfreedays · 01/05/2020 13:41

Just show him this thread. Your post and everyone's responses

ReturnofSaturn · 01/05/2020 13:42

This would be over for me I'm afraid OP.

You've given him more than one chance to curb it with her and he refuses. He obviously really likes and fancies her.

browzingss · 01/05/2020 13:43

If I send him something funny, he never responds but he has forwarded loads of the stuff I've sent him to her

Ouch

Notapheasantplucker · 01/05/2020 13:43

OP your gut is screaming at you, listen to it!
He's having at least an emotional affair with this woman now.
LTB, seriously.

AcrossthePond55 · 01/05/2020 13:44

Agree with others, this is an emotional affair. This is cheating, plain and simple. He is giving her the time and attention that he should be giving you, his wife.

www.verywellmind.com/emotional-affairs-and-infidelity-2303091

www.verywellmind.com/signs-youre-having-an-emotional-affair-2303079

Review the links and see if they cover what's going on. Then sit him down, show them to him and tell him that either he stops contact with her or when this lockdown is over so is your marriage. If he argues, show him the proof.

GabriellaMontez · 01/05/2020 13:47

He's dishonest and disrespectful.

You're under reacting.

Decide what you want to happen in your relationship. Spell it out and give him an ultimatum. OR just end it. He had already breached your trust significantly.

Sorry it's a very hard time to have to deal with this.

Beebeeboo2 · 01/05/2020 13:48

It’s a (full blown) emotional affair, ie. infedility. Very disrespectful to you. I’m so sorry you’re going through this. It would be the end for me.

ReturnofSaturn · 01/05/2020 13:52

You are not overreacting, quite the opposite. Your husband is having an affair right under your nose and has got YOU apologising for it.

100% this.

Livelovebehappy · 01/05/2020 13:56

You are absolutely not being paranoid OP. Although he will try his best to make you think you are. I see a lot of what I went through when my DH had an affair when I read your post. My DH made me feel I was being unreasonable, tried to reassure me he was just friends with the woman he was texting daily, told me he loved me. I believed him because the man I thought I knew would never hurt me or lie to me. Or so I thought. Your DH may even be lying to himself convincing himself that he is not behaving inappropriately, but this is a path that is almost certainly going to lead to an affair. Tell him that contact has to stop, that it is beyond appropriate, and he is destroying your trust. Don’t let him make you think that the problem is yours.

Billben · 01/05/2020 13:57

He was annoyed and acted like I was being unreasonable, saying he only messaged her 'occasionally' so I apologised and said I didn't want him to end his friendship with her, it's my problem and I need to learn to deal with it and stop being jealous.

You see what he did there, don’t you? YANBU so don’t ever apologise for that. You are being taken for a mug by these two. For me it wouldn’t be jealousy but the fact that these two think I’m a fool and will put up with their behaviour that would give me the rage.

BananaBabies · 01/05/2020 13:58

This sounds really distressing. You poor thing.

Similar but different scenario once here. Before DH and I were married he spent a bunch of time secretly communicating with an ex. Nothing was happening physically (she lived on a different continent) and the messages didn’t go beyond a bit of flirtation, but the quantity and secrecy made it disrespectful and out of order.

I confronted him and said “no more or I’m out of here”. He took it seriously and it stopped. He recognised it wasn’t appropriate.

We’re (very) happily married now. We are very close friends and chat about everything and about everyone we know so it would be v v weird if there was a third party he was in such regular contact with and I wasn’t aware of it.

You say a lot of good things about your marriage at the start of your post so I wouldn’t necessarily call this a total deal breaker. But it has to stop, now, and he needs to recognise that’s he’s done wrong.

Good luck xx

GoofyLuce · 01/05/2020 13:59

I would leave him to be honest. I'd always be wary of who he is talking to and working with after this. Unless you could find a way to trust him again? I personally wouldn't, it would always be at the back of my mind and I couldn't live like that.

BonsaiLife · 01/05/2020 14:00

I think the key here is the fact that he has been dishonest, by moving the chat onto a new hidden platform after you expressed your vulnerability. If he had nothing to hide, why do this and why change his pin? My husband and I know each other's pins and he lets me pick up his phone to google something if I can't be bothered to reach for mine. Secrecy is a sign of something wrong. That's what he needs to be honest about.

Even if he isn't having an affair, you very clearly set out your feelings. He has actively disrespected those by going behind your back.

IToldYouIWasFreaky · 01/05/2020 14:00

Whether anything physical has actually happened or not he is investing far more time and emotional energy into his relationship with her than into you and your family. That's unacceptable and incredibly hurtful and you have every reason to be upset, dont let him convince you otherwise.

Totally agree. He's prioritising their relationship over yours and being more intimate with her, emotionally at least, than he is with you - inviting her to gigs that he hasn't bothered to mention to you, the all day chatting, sending pictures etc. They're not just friends. He's treating her as the number one person in his life and that should be you. It's not petty or over-reacting to be hurt by that. I hope you can understand that now.
For me, it would be a clear case of either he stops all contact with her, now and puts serious time and effort into your relationship, or you're done.

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 01/05/2020 14:00

At least half my friends are male and all my work mates are male. I normally come on these threads to say to proceed with caution as I message them a lot, go out for lunches, dinners, drinking etc etc and there is absolutely nothing in it.

However this to me is different. He is treating her very differently to how he is treating all his other 'friends', even his best friends that he has known for years. Messaging morning til night is so intense it's not normal. Doing it in secret is not normal. Telling her the minutiae of his day and not mentioning you at all is not normal. Not responding to your messages would not bother me, but responding to all her messages while not responding to yours, is rude. At the very least it's a massive crush, and I think it is a classic example of an emotional affair - apart from the physical side he is recreating the other, emotional aspects of a relationship such as emotional support, constant contact etc

You told him how you were feeling and instead of stopping it he has carried on but just in secret.

I think it's always a hard one to argue because he will say he is just friends but it is so much more than this. If he wont actually stop you will have to consider leaving as you can't carry on like this. Also he needs to acknowledge that how he has behaved is wrong if you're married, as otherwise you will just be worried it's going on again behind your back

CaroleFuckinBaskin · 01/05/2020 14:02

I started reading this thinking it wouldn't be that bad but then it just kept coming and coming! All those messages! You are not overreacting at all, I would be absolutely devastated.

I agree with the poster who said get the definition of 'Emotional Affair' and put it in front of him, along with all the messages. Do not let him gaslight you into thinking you are overreacting. It may take you a while to compose yourself to confront him without backing down. But his behaviour is unacceptable.

I don't think it's necessarily over for your marriage but it really depends on how he reacts from now on.

SueEllenMishke · 01/05/2020 14:03

He's having an emotional affair (at the very least) which in my book is cheating.

AnyFucker · 01/05/2020 14:04

Why do women question their own selves about this kind of shit treatment ?

I just don't understand

Thinkingabout1t · 01/05/2020 14:05

He'd speak a lot more quietly, and would sound really flirty and giggled constantly. I'd hear him telling her non-work related things that he hadn't told me about. I felt hurt because it got to the point where he barely said a word to me

OP, he is having an affair - whether it has reached the stage of actual physical contact or not.

It sounds as if you are otherwise happy with him, and you could still save your marriage if you want to.

Tell him you have to talk about this. He knows bloody well what he's doing, messaging her all day - he sounds quite obsessed tbh. It seems to have become a habit or some sort of compulsion that he would find hard to break.

If you want to stay with him, you have to start by insisting on having a conversation about this. Don't listen to any shit about "we're just friends". Don't let him gaslight you with "You're jealous, you're paranoid". The list you've given shows very clearly that you are not being unreasonable.

Also don't let him derail the talk, by acting offended that you have been checking up on him. You had every reason to be suspicious, as he was behaving outrageously. And his attempts at secrecy are further proof that he knows what he's doing is harmful. He may even want to break away but find it hard to break the habit.

Hi is also cheating his employers and colleagues by wasting so much work time on this endless messaging. He can't be giving any attention to his work, and others presumably have to bear the brunt. If he sat in his office chatting to her all day he would be noticed!

I would give him an ultimatum - if he wants to stay married he has to stop contacting this woman. Not just cutting it down a bit but stopping. She must know what she's doing, so I don't feel any sympathy for her.

Of course if you give an ultimatum you have to be prepared for the possibility that he will choose her.

So first, make sure you have an exit strategy. Get legal advice. Check he hasn't moved money out of your joint account into his own, etc.

Best of luck, OP. I hope you can shake him off this stupid path he's got onto. Does he really want to give up his marriage and have an every-other-weekend relationship with his children? Make it clear to him what he's doing.

Lolaesque · 01/05/2020 14:07

Whoa - 100% unacceptable behaviour. The fact that he has become secretive speaks volume. You need to give him an ultimatum. For your own self respect and self worth, he either ceases all contact or you're chucking him out.

Firstimemam · 01/05/2020 14:07

Reading this hurts my feelings, how manipulative telling you that there is nothing else going on but this an emotional relationship that's been going on for ages. I hope you're ok. You sound like a wonderful person and you don't deserve this. I would not act too quickly but think about an exit strategy and think about everything. What an absolutely arsehole!

crispysausagerolls · 01/05/2020 14:08

This is fucking outrageous.

What a cunt.