To be ashamed to be British

[yesterdayschild]

Every day more and more British deaths. When compared to other countries some of them third world, we have an appalling death rate from Covid 19.
Why oh why did the government allow 3000 Spanish to enter just to watch a football match when Spain would not allow them to watch in their own country.
Why was the Stereophonics concert allowed when other countries had locked down.
Why are thousands of people still entering the U.K. with no checks.
Why are our NHS staff still begging for PPE

I am feeling very very low about all of this and wish I lived in some other country.

the USA are reporting ALL deaths not just hospitals
Not according to this, not even tested.

Coronavirus in New York: A paramedic's diary www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52196815

Not one of the 12 people suspected to have died of Covid-19 on Anthony's shift had been tested for coronavirus. As a result, their deaths were not included in the official coronavirus death toll in New York last Sunday, which stood at 594

The difficulty is whatever we had done, it’s an unprecedented event and no one had any idea of the impact this would have on the world. There’s no point in making it political, whatever party was in charge, they still would have had the same science and medical experts guiding them into the same decisions.
I agree that the cheltenham festival/concerts etc should have been cancelled, but again, we were in the very early stages of it all then and had no real idea of how it would play it for real.
I also agree that it’s taken far too long to shut borders and quarantine the people coming in from all over the world every day, that should have been a priority.

But I don’t think it helps to slate the country. Would you want to make the decisions that could potentially kill a lot of people? Let’s hope we follow the examples of Italy, Spain etc as they slowly relax their lockdowns and use that experience to help us out when the time comes. It’s much better than we all try and stick together as one.

Sweden haven’t locked down. Do they have blood on their hands or is it different because it’s Sweden and not Britain?

I am an immigrant and I now have a UK passport and I am bloody proud of it. But here

I'm proud of the way that Nicola Sturgeon is handling her daily briefings.
Not that I expect most of you are considering her as 'British'. 'British' and 'English' are interchangeable on here.

Bring- you do know at the daily briefings the journalists' microphones were switched off so they couldn't question the answers right? And the briefings are the laughing stock of many countries looking in for being the complete whitewash they so obviously are?
And Cummings, with no scientific qualification is being lambasted by his own party for his active participation on the SAGE committee?
And you've seen Harries get caught out telling more than one blatant scientific un-fact during the pressers, because presumably she's been briefed on what to say and what not to say? And has looked uncomfortable doing so, yet still lacking the ethics to tell the govt she won't lie for them?

I’m very pleased to live in a prosperous democratic country where I can air my political views without torture or persecution. I feel extremely lucky that we have access to clean water, education and food in my stomach. It’s a real shame you don’t feel the same. Perhaps in time you can find a way to leave this country abs move to the country of your choice. Where I’m sure you will find it has a plethora of it’s own problems.

@Greenpop21

Sweden haven’t locked down. Do they have blood on their hands or is it different because it’s Sweden and not Britain?

I've noticed this tendency. Sweden has a far higher death toll than other Nordic countries that did lock down. There are a lot of critics of this policy in Sweden from what I've heard.

I disagree. I’ve seen Nick Hancock go back to the journalist and ask if the answer was full enough. Several times.

Are you sure you mean Nick hancock?

Sweden seem to be admired for taking an independent approach but if that happened here, it’s incompetence. You can’t win. Britain is a nation of complainers and armchair experts, particularly on MN.

Bring- you do know at the daily briefings the journalists' microphones were switched off so they couldn't question the answers right? And the briefings are the laughing stock of many countries looking in for being the complete whitewash they so obviously are? Utter nonsense

People that were born in Britain (and haven’t chosen/changed/etc their nationality) are British through luck, not design or some skill of our own

To be proud or that or ashamed of that is weird

This.

Sweden haven’t locked down. Do they have blood on their hands or is it different because it’s Sweden and not Britain?

Yes they do. They're sacrificing the vulnerable on the altar of economics, just like the UK did in the beginning.

I meant Matt Hancock!

Why is this about being British? I certainly didn't make these decisions. Someone with far more power than me did. They're not decisions I would have made so why should I be ashamed. Time we stopped slagging ourselves off if you ask me.

I blame Mother Earth personally, for dropping this shitstorm of a pandemic on us with no notice period.

Completely with you there, @yesterdayschild. Watching last night’s Panorama, I wanted to ring Boris Johnson et al and tell them what a fucking mess they’ve made of this. Heads ought to roll. They won’t. We’ll have to watch the sickening spin this Govt. will put on all of this so that it looks like a huge success in the face of an unprecedented crisis. It is unprecedented but certainly, we wasted a lot of time. Huge events like CRUFTS and Cheltenham horse racing ought to have been cancelled. Don’t get me started on the bloody debacle of the airports where we are only just thinking about putting people stepping off the planes into quarantine.

BJ made a good start yesterday with his returning to work speech telling us all how well they’ve done. It’s all bullshit for the masses.

Sweden seem to be admired for taking an independent approach but if that happened here, it’s incompetence.

They tried to follow the herd immunity approach, but there isn't many cries of eugenics happening from Guardian opinion writers so thats why there is one screaming on social media about it.

I've read that one of the the reasons that Hitler was so popular early on was that he did get the trains to run on time. So quite clearly trains running on time is very important to German people

Wrong on all counts . It was Mussolini who was said to "make the trains run on time" in Italy during the 1920's . Nothing to do with Germany .

I'm not ashamed to be British. I didn't vote for the current shower of shite leading us though.

I might feel differently if I had.

I didn't vote for them either, I think one of the worrying things is that so many still seek to excuse them for their massive mistakes. The football match, Cheltenham, Crufts, the Stereophonics, we would likely be out of lockdown if those things hadn't been allowed to happen. I'm sure someone will tell me hindsight is a wonderful thing but many many of us were saying it at the time. Boris knew better didn't he with his handshaking.

I watched his speech yesterday and then watched Governor Cuomo, what a contrast.

Anyone who says we didn’t have enough notice is thick as mince.

Captain Tom Moore makes me even more ashamed to b British. Not because of the man himself - he is wonderful - more because our government have let us fall into such a state that old men feel the need to fund raise because of the perceived problems working the NHS.

Then they have happily exploited him as a symbol.

USA are reporting ALL deaths not just hospitals.

The USA reporting is a joke. I wouldn’t put too much in that. Let’s not forget they weren’t testing in the early days so it stands to reason their figures will be low. Their overall figures for all deaths reported in the quarter of the year are a lot higher than in previous years, it is highly likely those figures include people who died of Covid but who were never tested.