To think people have forgotten what lockdown was for and now think they’re all going to die

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I think people have gradually lost all sense of reality during this lockdown. It’s the NHS we are protecting by making sure not too many people are admitted with Coronavirus at the same time. But normal young healthy people seem to be thinking it’s to stop them catching it and dying. Where do we go from here?

Go on then @GingerRodgers18, regale me with these terrifying statistics about young people dying (be specific and include your source) so that I can clearly not understand them.

I’ll await your response.

...but this is detracting from the point of the thread.

@Ohtherewearethen not making any reply to the other parts of your post but I do just want to say as a midwife myself that the word means "with woman" so it doesn't reflect the job being done by a women. Where I worked previously we had 7 male midwives and got asked tons of times if they were called midhusbands.

And can we please stop using Karen. One of the most intelligent, smartest, wisest ladies I know is called Karen, and shes absolutely fabulous and a incredible researcher/scientist. Dont actually know any dim or stupid Karen's, but honestly it makes me feel like the person using "karen" is stupid. It's like you dont know what to say so instead you use karen as a rebuttal.

If you wanna use something call them Katie Hopkins or after someone who is a proven idiot.b

Thank you @CrowCat. I think sometimes the people who are panicking the most have been sat at home for the last 4 weeks reading dire news reports.

A large section of the population has been going out to work as normal. Nothing has changed and nearly of us are ok and still working.

If all shops, schools, transport, food factories stopped, like everything else did people would soon complain. But who do they think is doing this work? Fairies?!

yet struggles to realise that her assumption that every Karen is female could be offensive too

PMSL

Am I the only person who has never seen a Karen meme? I only know one Karen she's an arsehole.

Eresh maybe pp was thinking of (the rapist) Karen White when he/she/etc posted that comment?

Wow yes, good point, Iggi999!

Has anyone met a male Karen? Genuinely curious

Although obviously that Karen is female too. Wash your mouth out!

@Tr1skel1on I know, my eldest DD works for a major retailer and she's been working 10-12 hour days in a public facing role, alongside her partner throughout this. Yet some posters here won't walk past someone in the street for fear the virus jumps off them! I love speaking with her (obviously!!) but even more so now as her normalcy and common sense during all this is absolutely refreshing when so many healthy people are just hiding out in their homes!!

Yes of course, sorry HQ

Of those who have sadly died only 139 of them were under 40. 9 out of 10 of those who have died are over 60.

Some young, healthy people will die of coronavirus but the risk is very small.

I felt this article was quite balanced

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-52403772

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@Smurfy23 no I have known two males in complete different parts of my life and about twenty five years apart in age, both called Kim though

@Ohtherewearethen. I read something from a male midwife recently that said the word derived from an old Norse word meaning "with the woman" so his argument was that midwife is not a sexist term as people giving birth still tend to be women.

A quick Google gave me:
Word History: The word midwife was formed in Middle English from two elements, mid and wife. At first glance, the meaning of wife would would seem to be clear. However, wife often meant simply "woman" in general in Middle English, not specifically "female spouse" as it most often does in Modern English. The other element in midwife, the prefix mid-, is probably the Middle English preposition and adverb mid, meaning "together with." Thus a midwife was literally a "with-woman"

yet struggles to realise that her assumption that every Karen is female could be offensive too

PMSL

I was being tongue-in-cheek when I first mentioned Iggi's sexism comment. It's not sexist. There are so many comments about Daves and Darrens, etc too. Some people just look for offense. The way she told me how I ought to respond to her comment was a bit strange.

And by the way, no I don't think a rapist who called himself Karen is a woman. Weird thing to joke about, you two.

@CalmYoBadSelf and @mumofmany81, thankyou 🙏🏻 I hold my hands up to my own ignorance there with regards to the term 'midwife'

We dont know what the case fatality rate is yet simply because we dont know the number of cases. Antibody testing has it as under 1% (and China has since said it had missed asymptomatic cases).

Within that it isnt as straightforward as your chances of dying are 1 in a 100 - age/sex/race/pre existing conditions etc change that quite dramatically

www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654

Is a good read on the subject.

We know about the cases of young healthy people dying because they are news.

But for me where people have lost all sense of reality is where they are so scared of catching Coronavirus and perhaps dying that they refuse to get treated things that actually they have a far higher risk of dying from or long term health implications.

@lockdownstress maybe you should ask those patients if they are feeling anxious instead of rolling your eyes at them.

@Iggi999
Think you’ve lost the point of the thread.

normal young healthy people seem to be thinking it’s to stop them catching it and dying.

They are right.

Anyone can catch this and die.

What do you think protecting the NHS means - reserving it only for the old? It means keeping infection rates low so that people of all ages will not get sick.

To be fair a lot of the younger generation that are scared I beleiver are not scared for themselves but for members of their family and loved ones that they feel are at risk. I am not particularly elderly (well dont consider myself to be!) I am 55 and both my sons have told me to not go out repeatedly. They have it in their head I am at risk. A fear of losing a loved one is very real to some of the younger people.

Agree with that.
And also to be fair, many younger people have jobs in supermarkets or restaurants that are doing take away service and could very well get sick and die.