To think people have forgotten what lockdown was for and now think they’re all going to die

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I think people have gradually lost all sense of reality during this lockdown. It’s the NHS we are protecting by making sure not too many people are admitted with Coronavirus at the same time. But normal young healthy people seem to be thinking it’s to stop them catching it and dying. Where do we go from here?

Sadie - it’s not 99.8% will be ok. It’s a 2% death rate not a 0.02%. It’s 100 times worse than you suggest. So 1 in 50. I cannot think of anything I would willingly do that gave me a 1 in 50 chance of dying

I'd love a source for some data saying you have a 1 in 50 chance of dying

Ohtherewearethen Nice try, but your comment really makes no sense
(and gender is a made up construct that I would be extremely unlikely to think about never mind "assuming" it of anyone)

That'll be their asthma for which they pick up about 1 inhaler per year (should be 6 if using properly)

Which inhaler are you taking about?

One of the biggest takeaways from this for me is how few people actually understand statistics.

Karen is a man?!

"If it saves one persons life, it's worth it" is a meme that crumbles under rational scrutiny but it makes some people removed from such considerations feel bad so, in their world, it's worth it and if you don't think the same you are beneath contempt.

We've no idea what the chance of death is statistically as we don't know how many people have had it

@Iggi999 casual sexism? I just can't see the link - a Karen is a particular type of person who behaves in a certain way rather than suggesting that only women can provide false information online? I think you're one of those people who seeks things to be offended by and loses all track of rational thinking :-/

It concerns me that people are scared to get themselves checked out for potentially serious conditions as their fear of catching this virus is so overwhelming.

That's essentially the same mindset as any risk, no matter how miniscule, is unacceptable.

And calling these people 'karen' isn't sexist? Really?

@mumofmany81 - yup, got it in one! Iggi999 appears to be one of the professionally offended yet struggles to realise that her assumption that every Karen is female could be offensive too

I don't have huge underlying health conditions that mean I need to shield but I do have risk factors and minor conditions that worry me. I was really scared when they said people with underlying health conditions were dying because I fall into that group. I'm a teacher. I was not comfortable before schools closed because my medical professional said I should avoid crowds and that was impossible. I have an unexplained feeling that if I get it I will suffer badly.

I now work from home. I feel comfortable and safe. Everyone local I need to worry about is under the same roof as me. My dp can't work due to lack of supplies. He does all our shopping etc. My dc are home and safe. I have been out at times for some walks but not often. I feel comfortable and safe and I am actually quite worried about the thought of the lockdown being relaxed. I am scared of the thought of going back in a classroom.

I understand the science and that most people will be exposed and have to get it at some point but I am scared. I can't help but feel I will be one who needs hospital treatment. I want the resources to be there if that happens.

I also worry about the long term effects. I don't think people have considered how much damage this virus might do to them long term.

I can't help it. I want me and mine to avoid it as long as possible.

I appreciate that financially I am in a better position than some although we are suffering due to my dp's lack of wage and I feel for all those who are struggling but I do not want to cone out of lock down until we know a lot more about this virus.

The minute someone uses that Karen shit their argument automatically weakens. Ditto snowflake. It does exactly the opposite of what they think it does.

It's funny coz we have MNers saying

"How many people have had it is very underreported"
and
"It's impossible to get immunity."
and
"We have to have strict lockdown until a vaccine is available."
and
"There are lots of asymptomatic people passing it to many other people"
and
"It's extremely irresponsible to get within 1m of someone else for 5 seconds because you'll give each other 'rona for sure."

and lots of other things that... can't all be true. Maybe one of them is true, tiny chance 2 of those could be true. But they can't ALL be true.

I am truly baffled how Whitty thinks we'll keep the r0 below 1.0 for a long time without bankrupting the country.

@mumofmany81 (and others) this explains it. Basically - is there a male name equivalent of 'Karen'? Would someone ever call a man a 'Karen'? No. Ask yourself why that is.

Btw I find it annoying mainly because it's used by unimaginative bores who somehow inexplicably still think they're being original. Just... come up with your own thing!

I don’t know OP

I’m all for personal responsibility but I’ve been shocked by the government ads - spreading hysteria like I’ve never seen before.

Fuck ppl like to bitch
I can not wait to return to work tomorrow

yup, got it in one! Iggi999 appears to be one of the professionally offended yet struggles to realise that her assumption that every Karen is female could be offensive too I'm confused. Are we pretending all names are completely gender neutral now?

People are being increasingly indifferent to the risks and potentially, that could mean greater duration of lockdown

Or it could mean that people will finally say they are en masse not going to do this any longer (or again) because their livelihoods, homes, incomes, families are more important to them than anything else.

I for one am not going to comply with a lockdown beyond the next review. I will always put my family's home and security above anything else. I also want my children to go back to school.

Most people aren't going to die even if they flout the lockdown. They may not even get the virus.

But I've not seen people flouting the lockdown. Maybe technically breaching the rules a bit eg the people I mentioned yesterday who were on a bike ride and had stopped to sit on some grass but not in a way that will spread the virus.

Greysparkles - I am using the admittedly not wholly robust data that came out of China and other countries. I know there is no clarity about total numbers tested etc etc but China did test a lot of people and that was their number.

And will people stop that Karen nonsense. It's not quite up there with using the 4 letter c word but it's misogynistic (and ageist). STOP IT NOW.

This forum is called Mumsnet - ie for mums -- for women! If you want to be misogynistic go elsewhere.

The name Karen was popular in the 70’s and it is shorthand for middle aged women. It’s use perpetuates misogynistic stereotypes. Mumsnet should be better than that.

lockdownstress
Im asthmatic. Your attitude frankly stinks. People can manage their asthma without the inhalers. It dies NOT mean they are not asthmatic.
Some people puff away on the preventers. Others avoid their triggers as it is allergic.
Mine are cats and cold/flu. And exercise
So i dont have a cat. I dont run and i use my blue inhaler when i have a cold/flu. Oh and feathers. (Feather duvet as a child). If uk did more allergy testing maybe there would be fewer severe asthmatics..

Anyway, as i dont use a preventer i dont get called for a flu jab. So i pay for it myself... So again it's not that im magically not getting ill and having asthma attacks.

The reality is you dont know who will get Covid and be ok and who wont.
I think reasonably people who already have compromised lungs dont particularly fancy making it worse (long term covid lung damage...) even if they dont die.
The shielding vs vulnerable is guesswork. Many asthmatics and disbetics etc have been dying. But it's just even more say high bp or whatever have died. That doesnt make it low risk. I still wouldnt have the risk of my age group.
17m people in the vulnerable categories someone said. So no wonder many are concerned. Plus i think if there werent so many then yes they would be 'shielded too'.
My risk is similar to a 70yo and yet i have young kids.
Also you need to add together a family risk so me and dp together might have 8% chance of one of us dying which doesnt look good when you have kids. Yes im more likely to survive than not but unfortunately i dont personally trust the nhs to not leave me gasping for breath and turning blue.
The gov mismanagement combined with (unfortunately) general nhs not doing as well as it could do.