To think this stupid woman is the reason lockdown must continue?

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So neighbours at the end of our little lane often have visitors who block the road because they cba to park 10 metres around the corner or pull onto their driveway properly. It’s irritating but fine as they move quite quickly and the neighbours are elderly.

Today neighbours had someone dropping something off but she parked directly her car in front of their house (blocking single lane narrow road completely) and shouted to him through her open car door while neighbour was stood on his doorstep. Fair enough, except DS and I were just going out on our bikes and couldn’t get past. She was well aware as could see us getting bikes out of garage. I assumed she’d move off to let us pass but she didn’t. As we approached she got out of her car and shut the door leaving us just enough room to squeeze through but stood in front of her car inches from us. She could have just stayed in it .

I asked her to move away as we were supposed be social distancing and she did saying she ‘didn’t believe in it’ and we should be like Sweden and let everyone get the virus. I said well I’d rather my family didn’t get it as we don’t actually know how they’d react and I didn’t want to risk them being among the few healthy people who died but she insisted it was all rubbish and she didn’t believe in social distancing .

AIBU to be shocked that arseholes like this exist and think lockdown needs to continue due to them?

@Furfockssake

From what I’ve heard many younger people without underlying conditions are ending up in intensive care

Source?

The Nightingale hospital at the Excel centre has treated 40 patients, with a capacity of 3,000 beds.

To be fair to the OP I had a similar thing happen to me in the supermarket. Some cunt was stood looking at the chicken section when I wanted to be there and I literally had to barge past her to get what I wanted. People just have no consideration, why didn't she just know I needed to be there and move out of my way?

@NikeDeLaSwoosh from what I understand there are not enough Critical Care nurses to staff the Nightingale hospitals so patients are not being transferred. Also, people in care homes have been asked to sign DNR forms so many people who should be in hospital are being asked not to go and are dying out of hospital. The fact is that fatalities are predominately in the 70+ range, but hospitalisation is, from accounts from doctors all over the world, has included many people much younger.

"“We’ve unfortunately seen very young people have severe cases of coronavirus,” said Aaron Glatt, chairman of infectious diseases and hospital epidemiologist at Mount Sinai South Nassau in Hewlett, New York. “There are people who are in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and certainly in their 50s who are unfortunately getting very sick. It is myth that healthy young people have nothing to be concerned about.”

"'The CDC reported in March that 38% people who had been hospitalized due to coronavirus were between 20 and 54 years old,” Sarin said. “Half of the intensive care patients admitted during the CDC’s report period were under age 65.”

A few thoughts here. Social distancing was introduced to slow the spread of the virus so the NHS can cope. We all know that.

However the virus does not have legs or wings. It can only be transmitted by people so hopefully if it doesn't find a host it will fall on the ground or a hanky and die.

Yes certain people have to work so it will never be totally eradicated this way.

There are too many people who have opinions like the woman in the OP's post who think they know better.

New Zealand may have eradicated the virus within her borders but how are they going to keep it out? People will want / need to travel in the future to that country. Are they all travelers going to have to self isolate for two weeks when they arrive there?

There is not much point in blaming the government on what they have or have not done. We have to deal with what is happening now.

As for the OP's frustration about wishing she had scratched the other woman's car. I know those feelings exactly when my son's were in prams and I had the choice to either push their prams into a busy road when some a'hole had parked across the pavement or squeeze past on the pavement side. I chose to squeeze past and if I had accidentally scratched their cars in the process well I'm sorry ...

There are clearly other factors at work in determining who gets severe disease - obesity you mentioned, viral loading is apparently another. China may not have been transparent about deaths in younger people skewing the initial statistics. The scientists can't be totally confident in current statistics because of under reporting of deaths, under reporting of cases, research papers being overturned by emerging numbers etc etc.

@Furfockssake

Again, you need a source for that statement, otherwise its just an opinion.

The facts simply don't support the opinion of this one person.

This is overwhelmingly a disease of the elderly, and in the event that younger people do suffer badly, it is largely due to their own lifestyle choices (Obesity, type 2 diabetes and heart disease being the main underlying factors that affect outcomes, all of which are within the control of the individual).

Its an awful lot to ask 66 million people to face premature death, sickness and financial ruin just to 'save' a small population of younger people from the consequences of their own lifestyle choices.

@nikedelaswoosh

"'The CDC reported in March that 38% people who had been hospitalized due to coronavirus were between 20 and 54 years old,” Sarin said. “Half of the intensive care patients admitted during the CDC’s report period were under age 65.”

The CDC in the US reported it - that's not an opinion. That's the statistics the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have gathered.

A lot of people are thick as.....

If idiots like her go round infecting people some of those people will need to go to hospital - even if they don't eventually die. That's a problem because not only might they have long term issues such as lung damage but they're using up resources which have to be diverted away from other departments. Which puts any of us at risk who might ever need to use a hospital.

@NikeDeLaSwoosh

You sound ridiculous. You've made a load of statements with no reference and then have the cheek to demand proof from another poster. You blithely assume all pre-eisting conditions are self inflicted which is absolutely not the case. Kidney disease, type 1 diabetes, heart defects, cancer (often completely treatable in young people).

"and in the event that younger people do suffer badly, it is largely due to their own lifestyle choices (Obesity, type 2 diabetes and heart disease being the main underlying factors that affect outcomes, all of which are within the control of the individual)"

Does that explain why so many young and fit nurses and doctors have died here? Viral loading would seem an obvious factor, but sure, lets say its self inflicted through lifestyle choice. Why are so many BAME people dying? We simply don't know. Nobody seems to know the reason behind BAME deaths, or if the deaths are statistically significant, but the Government has ordered a review to find out.

"Its an awful lot to ask 66 million people to face premature death, sickness and financial ruin just to 'save' a small population of younger people from the consequences of their own lifestyle choices"

Luckily we don't live in a society where we are happy to sacrifice hundred of thousands of lives. There will obviously be some trade off between the economy and lives lost, but it's up to the current Government to choose what that trade off is.

Does that explain why so many young and fit nurses and doctors have died here?

NHS workers have been dying the same rate as the general population of working age - they are at no greater risk than anyone else.

Source

You've made a load of statements with no reference and then have the cheek to demand proof from another poster.

Actually, it was @Furfockssake who started the demanding of sources, not me.

(it's not an unreasonable request either to be fair)

but it's up to the current Government to choose what that trade off is

No, no and thrice no. we are the ones who decide what the trade off is

You blithely assume all pre-eisting conditions are self inflicted which is absolutely not the case. Kidney disease, type 1 diabetes, heart defects, cancer (often completely treatable in young people)

True, but the conditions you have listed are not the most important underlying factors that determine how seriously an individual will experience Covid-19.

The ones I listed are the key determinants, and are, to a large extent lifestyle diseases.

“NHS workers have been dying the same rate as the general population of working age - they are at no greater risk than anyone else”

Source?

‘True, but the conditions you have listed are not the most important underlying factors that determine how seriously an individual will experience Covid-19’

Source?

I've given a source in the post

@nikedelaswoosh

The CDC data is still there.

Source

I can’t open the link fully but as far as I can tell it’s the BBC reporting on a source.

Sorry, not sure I know what you mean? CDC data still there?

Yes, somehow, given the quality of your argument, I'm not surprised that you're not a regular listener to More or Less.

I’m not sure what that graph proves. Your initial point was that very young people had a tiny tiny chance of being hospitalised. I’ve been saying hospitalisation rates among people under 65 form almost half the patients at US hospitals. We’re not talking about death rates.

You’re not following the argument.

I’ve been saying hospitalisation rates among people under 65 form almost half the patients at US hospitals

Yes, I know that's what you're saying, but you've yet to produce a source.