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To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

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lola777 · 25/04/2020 17:40

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

OP posts:
HappyBuyer · 26/04/2020 22:36

No, I do not support further lockdown for the following reasons:

  1. The virus is here to stay and mutate regardless of how many vaccines/lockdowns/preventive measures such as masks are imposed;
  1. Economical impact (this will have to be broken in 2 points) is far worse than people imagine:
2.1. Short-term impact (4 months - 1 year) or immediate impact - not everyone qualifies for government (taxpayers) help (80% income support, benefits, discounts), mortgage/personal loan holidays or rent breaks (normally biggest expense). A lot of people live hand to mouth and are unable to save for ''rainy DAY'' like this - what is going to happen to them? Are they all going to live in cardboard boxes under the bridges? Will there be enough bridges?

2.2. Long term impact - no money coming in from taxpayers (workers/companies) and high expenditure to keep most of people afloat. Do you really think banks will extend ''generous'' offer for mortgage holidays (that is actually will cost you minimum £300 extra at the end of that 3 month period) for longer? Where government is going to get even more money to pay everyone lets say UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME? Where will we get our food from if no one is working fields, tend to livestock and keep factories going?

  1. NHS - in a regular sunny day it takes weeks to get appointment with GP, now people have no access to chemo/surgeries/etc. at all? How much more collateral damage there will be - people who have not diagnosed/received care on time that would lead to their end? This point really should have been nr 2.
  1. Mental well-being. Social distancing while observing 2 metre rule is ok, - at least you can talk to a person (hopefully not running away from you), but what about people stuck in abusive relationships/living alone/not being even able seeing relatives? What about people so lonely and isolated that they can't take it? Think about ''prison holes'' - is this another collateral damage we prepared to tolerate?

Before everyone flogs me - I really feel sad for the people that lost the fight with this invisible enemy, however I can't help to think about far going consequences of further lockdown.

nolongersurprised · 26/04/2020 22:40

That’s why wdd Ed have yo carry on with lockdown until the infection rate is lower. They seem to think in the BBC bees tonight that R= About 0.7, so new cases will fall. We have to wait it out for now.

But there are so many that when lockdown is over - whenever that is - cases will spike again. I read on the BBC that they were aiming to test 25000/day, up from 10000. It’s not enough to even identify the current positive cases.

RuffleCrow · 26/04/2020 22:40

It really is a moot point whether we support it or not. I know the government are acting like they're doing this through consensus, but the reality is we have to do as we're told for as long as we're told to do it.

Frompcat · 26/04/2020 22:42

Actually the UKs death rate is more like 14%

How on earth can you know that when they aren't testing so have no idea how many of us have had it and recovered?

LaurieMarlow · 26/04/2020 22:46

So if we need to lockdown until the vaccine is out, then I'll support it.

Who would you propose pays for this?

LaurieMarlow · 26/04/2020 22:47

Great post from happybuyer

MargotB7 · 26/04/2020 22:48

Did anyone watch the program on ITV at 8pm? Some of you really know more than the experts and they are just trying to work out what's best.

MargotB7 · 26/04/2020 22:49

Think you know more, I meant.

nolongersurprised · 26/04/2020 22:50

How on earth can you know that when they aren't testing so have no idea how many of us have had it and recovered?

That’s my whole point. The U.K. has officially had 152000 cases and 20700 deaths. The death rate is therefore 14% which is way too high, at least 7x too high. South Korea’s death rate is 2% which is also prob too high.

That’s why test, trace and isolate is unrealistic when the numbers are so high and testing capacity is currently so low.

HappyBuyer · 26/04/2020 22:53

@LaurieMarlow
Thank you, I actually have more thoughts on this, but didn't want to take the whole webpage - I really tried to keep it concise...

shirleyschmidt · 26/04/2020 22:56

No, I definitely wouldn't support it, and my wider family all feel the same. We have abided by the rules, and I feel anyone who wants/needs to stay home should be supported to do so, but unfortunately the country cannot afford an indefinite paralysis.

GriseldaChop · 26/04/2020 23:09

I think we really have to support whatever we are asked to do. Nobody likes being stuck in, yes, the economy is going to be in a horrendous state, but surely if we do what we want when we want things will just go on for longer or we'll need a second lockdown come the winter.
You can see people becoming complacent already, myself included to a certain extent, I'm shopping more than once a week now which I wasn't doing before. The more the restrictions are lifted the more people will push boundaries. In my opinion this means the whole situation will last even longer. Just do as you're told, we've been asked to for a reason!

MargotB7 · 26/04/2020 23:11

The more I read and watch I totally agree we need to stay in lockdown for the next 5 weeks at least. Probably quite a bit longer.

MargotB7 · 26/04/2020 23:13

shirleyschmidt

The rules need to followed for longer or it would have been a waste of time.

MargotB7 · 26/04/2020 23:15

Actually the UKs death rate is more like 14%

I'm all for staying in lockdown but that is just not true.

Angrywife · 26/04/2020 23:23

To damm right I would and it needs to be a full lock down not this half arsed shit they've had for the last 5 weeks

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 26/04/2020 23:24

Yes but we wouldn’t need one if people just did as they were told earlier. Atm im guessing there will be a raise in deaths in a few weeks

LilacTree1 · 26/04/2020 23:27

Griselda “ I'm shopping more than once a week now which I wasn't doing before.”

A lot of people don’t have the option to shop once a week though.

doghairismyglitter · 26/04/2020 23:38

Not everyone that wants lockdown to be lifted is due to the reasons of having a haircut/going to the pub/seeing boyfriend or friends.

Exasperated hearing people are “selfish” for wanting lockdown to be over.

I want lockdown to be lifted so I can return to work and keep a roof over my two young children’s heads. I don’t see that as selfish at all. Likewise I don’t want the economy to tank any more than it already has.

There are other tragedies beside the coronovirus.

Even if at the moment many seem to have forgotten this.

GriseldaChop · 26/04/2020 23:48

LilacTree, I totally get that, and to be honest I'd order online if I could get a slot. I'm also shopping for my DM who is in the vulnerable category and has to shield, so need to do a doorstep drop for her too. I think it's easy for people to forget how serious the situation is as lockdown becomes the normality. We can live in our little bubble where everything is ok until you turn on the tv or read something.

ShallallalAa · 26/04/2020 23:56

I don't think full lockdown is realistic.
People are simply not complying and they won't / can't.
A lot of people will die and we will be in and out of physical distancing for as long as it takes to find a vaccine.

Personally I think we will indeed be looking at the prospect of schools opening and going back to work on and off till then.

ShutUpaYourFace · 27/04/2020 00:07

It is probably those calling and screaming for lockdown that now want it ended? It's causing too much inconvenience for them. I'm up with the press and media keep banging on calling for a exit strategy. Yes we all miss our family, our friends our kids need to be in school. But really? If told we need to do this longer people will just ignore the advice?
We would go straight back to square one. Why not ask someone mourning a loved one what they think?. We live in a society of selfish idiots who think they know best.
Lockdown is hard on everyone but wtf eh I'm bored with it now.
I completely dispair!

doghairismyglitter · 27/04/2020 00:19

BBC news. 5 minutes ago.

Calls to a national domestic abuse helpline rose by 49% and killings doubled weeks after lockdown, a report by MPs has revealed. Researchers at the Counting Dead Women Project told MPs 14 women and two children had been killed in the first three weeks of lockdown

So no.
Not all people are just “bored” of it actually.

There are people out there, (not just DA victims), that are losing their lives as a result of lockdown.

Women’s aid and a refuge saved my life last April.
If it was happening now...?
My children would have lost their mother.

LilacTree1 · 27/04/2020 00:19

Griselda I’m not sure I expressed that properly

I meant, a lot of people have to shop more often because of what they can physically carry home. I thought your post was saying it was wrong to shop more than once a week.

LilacTree1 · 27/04/2020 00:21

Shut “ It is probably those calling and screaming for lockdown that now want it ended?”

I’m baffled by this comment. I’d have thought most of us wanting lockdown to end didn’t want it in the first place. It was obvious where it was headed.