To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

[lola777]

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

""What sort of consequences were you thinking of? A public stoning maybe or would flogging be better?

There was never going to be 100% compliance and there never will be.""

Heftier fines perhaps.

@Devlesko I'm not talking about myself. I don't live in the south and I'm in a lucky position, but I know many many people are not and I have empathy, something you seem to be lacking to be honest.

I would support it but I wouldn't like it. I'm of the opinion that the virus is gonna be around for a while and we have to live with it, the hospitals are prepared now and the country cant keep paying everyone's wages indefinitely. But if the government feel we need to extend the lockdown then guess they have their reasons and I'll go along with it and keep hoping it ends soon..

Yes. God yes I'd support it. All three of my local hospitals covid units are full to capacity. Healthy and more vulnerable are falling prey to this virus. I'd be beyond inconsolable if I knew I had passed on the virus and it claimed a life. And the reason we have been told of no plan is that they likely don't have a plan. Like every government they are playing it by ear.

Honestly, this does not feel like a lockdown, more 'reduced movement' which I feel could and should be stricter. However, we are still at work. Worrying about the future would definitely colour my view.

DeathByBoredom, the death rate is not a fixed percentage. For a significant proportion of people, survival depends on oxygen or a ventilator being available. If lockdown is lifted too quickly, cases will soar, the NHS will be overwhelmed and the death rate will be much higher.

LakieLady

“This thread makes me wonder how us Brits ever got through the great depression, the Soanish flu, 2 major world wars, the blitz, the plague etc“

I think it’s probably because those generations hadn’t experienced 70 years of consistent peace at home, there was no welfare state, pandemics or at least deathly raging illnesses with no vaccines were par for the course, servitude was still the norm, extreme poverty was rife but still there was generally unquestioning allegiance to the royal family and government and life expectancy was a year or two after you “retired”, if you were lucky. Teenager wasn’t a thing, social media was a letter or a newspaper and people’s expectations were an awful lot lower.
No doubt someone qualified could give a much better insight, those are just the first obviouses (is that a word?) that popped into my head. But I can’t imagine us getting through those situations in the same way now. “Alright 18 year old sonny, you’re going off to war, no choice, no questions asked”. Yes Sir. Don’t think so! I know my rights, more likely (which I agree with viz WWI, which was obscene: so many brave young lives, lambs to the slaughter. Altogether different story for WW2 but I’m still not sure the appetite for joining up would be the same now whatever the apparent justification. Easy for me to say, of course, I’m knocking on and wouldn’t be expected to).

The “move somewhere cheaper” lot aren’t living in 400 sq feet.

Mum’s lost two friends to Covid 19 and she also wants lockdown ended, for all kinds of reasons, not least her children’s futures.

It 's a bit rich people on here feeling sorry for 'the poor' who are going to suffer from the economic meltdown post covid - what about the millions of poor and left behinds hit by years of austerity - cuts to benefits, public services, families homeless, using foodbanks ? Didn't see the concern then especially seeing boris got his 80 sear majority...

The death rate is not a fixed percentage (think I pointed that out too just above) but I'm not going to give anyone over 90 a hard time about wanting to try to avoid it with a 50:50 survival rate (ironically, some of them want to catch it as they are fed up with life). But the worried well, the average female mumsnetter under 50 for instance, is a bit pathetic to be cowering in fear of a statistical 0.6% chance of death for most of them. Come on. Woman up.

I will support whatever to keep everyone safe.

@Devlesko: I wonder if those of us who have lived through previous recessions, repossessions, unemployment etc are perhaps more sanguine about the economic fallout than younger people who can only recall the 2008 crisis (which, frankly, for the UK at least, was nothing compared to the early 80s and early 90s)?

I have a friend who lost her home in the early 80s, retrained, scrimped & scraped, had a family, bought another house, only to lose it again in the early 90s. She's not going out at all because, at 66, she's just paid off her mortgage and wants to enjoy having a secure home for the first time in her life before the grim reaper gets her!

Sadly it's looking more 30s recession than 80s recession, but as most people who lived through that are dead already we are a bit laid back about what that looks like
I remember the 80s, that was fucking awful. 70s even worse in some ways, for us anyway. I really don't want to see my kids go through that. We had no electricity half the time, hardly any food, ice on the windows in winter (on the inside), I was hungry and cold in almost all my childhood memories. There's nothing to be sanguine about with poverty

No!!! Live alone no garden feel utterly trapped...no one to financially support me..going out of my mind..know of noone whos even had covid, not denying it isnt out there but why us the nightingale hospital empty? I need to go back to work!! as do many of my self employed friends who are at their wits end with zero income atm.

@kasm

I don't think I have ever been anything other than polite on MN, however great the provocation.

Your post, however, makes me think impolite things.

Whatever is the best to save lives gets my vote

You do know, don't you, that people die every single day, and mostly not as a result of Covid19?

We are personally are having a great time

As someone who now has no income and is at home full time with her teenagers, including one with ASD, I can tell you that we are not all having a "great time". It is insensitive at best for you to say this.

Job wise, its obviously a worry but people’s lives are more important

When you and your partner lose your jobs and your home, and you have nowhere to play hopscotch, you might think differently.

FWIW, I remember posting all kinds of smug nonsense on MN when I was a SAHM with a perfect husband, two small and perfect DC, a huge house and garden, and no money worries at all.

If I were in that situation now, maybe I would be regarding lockdown as a nice interlude.

However, I am now divorced, and have no job or income as a result of CV. I am also single-handedly, on nothing at all, psychologically, educationally, and financially supporting my teenagers who should be at school/doing public exams. I have enduring MH problems as a result of having been in what turned out beneath the sunny, hopscotch-y surface to be an abusive marriage.

So I can perhaps see why you might think these things will never apply to you.

Please, though, just try to think about how your words might come across to people who are struggling now.

People really are so bloody weak when it comes down to it. For years people have been accusing 'the millennials' of being the delicate ones but it seems they can handle this no problem whilst others cant even cut back going out the house for a couple of bloody months. Pathetic.

the 2008 crash was nothing compared to the 90s and 80s? thats nonsense.

@Starray

Re 'heftier fines'. How is anyone going to police how many times a day I go out, and whom I see once I am not at home?

Not that I am necessarily breaking the rules when I go out (I am mostly food shopping), but I'd like to know how anyone could prove that I'm not on an essential errand.

Cantata “When you and your partner lose your jobs and your home, and you have nowhere to play hopscotch, you might think differently.”

⏏️ This.

Mum was unemployed for years in the 90s recession, as were many others we knew. But I think it will be worse if there’s extended lockdown.

X post Cantata

Careful, there’s so much CCTV round and plenty of curtain twitchers.

People are weak. It's pathetic how frightened the worried well are of the miniscule risk of death.

😂 @LilacTree1
I hope they aren't watching me too closely, as they will see that I am not following the one-way arrows in Tesco, either.

I am staggered how many people are enjoying the lockdown. You must be very wealthy, not working/living off benefits or retired!

Cantata I sat on a bench in the park today. I think I might be able to crowdfund an appeal.

in spain theyve been in for 6 weeks and are only just letting kids go outside for fresh air

weve had nothing like that we're quite pathtic really